The Great Squad Cost Thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Toast, May 4, 2017.

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Squad cost?

  1. Yay

    27.3%
  2. Nay

    72.7%
  1. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    How that pile of tripe got likes is beyond me.

    You keep claiming you've debunked the correlation between wealth and winning but it's all in your head. :lol: The three richest teams have won the league what is going to be 13 out of 14 times but you're still claiming Leicester disproves the correlation. :lol:

    And these countless teams that have dominated the league spending less than Championship teams exist only in your imagination. Unless you're talking about other leagues, which is another confusion you've introduced. Leagues in different countries work in completely different ways to ours concerning ownership, so what a team in one league spends, doesn't translate to another.

    You still don't even understand that the relationship between wealth and winning holds good even if none the teams finish exactly in the squad cost positions. It's just a rough trend based on probability.

    And then you introduce wages, as if you've thought of something better than squad cost. Wages and squad cost are fairly parallel. The ideas are virtually identical.

    The bottom line here is that you're just another frustrated poster trying to nitpick because you have a narrative about Wenger, and squad cost gets in the way. Denying that money breeds success is irrefutable but I'm sure it won't stop you pretending you've debunked it.
     
  2. bingobob

    bingobob Fan of Technicians Who Show Great Character

    I don't think you understand this paragraph. Spending loads of money should accelerate teams up the league. If Stoke dropped 200m on players and wages you'd rightly expect upward movement in the table. But then they come up against other teams that spend like that. And suddenly they are limited. They are no longer competing with Wba, Swansea etc they are domestically competing with us, Chelsea, City and United all teams with huge resources chasing the same diminishing talent pool. There may be 100 strikers that can play for bottom teams but only 10-20 that can play for the top teams across Europe. Money helps you accelerate to a point. Bur only one team can win the league or the CL. Yet many teams will spend huge sums on players, staff, facilities etc.

    There is a whole literature dedicated to this theory, the law of diminishing returns where the money invested does not increase the level of benefit. I've discussed this with you loads. Where I've cited City as the perfect example. Going from Vassell to Aguero. Once they've bought Aguero investing 200m only produces a marginal improvement and they are already at the top end of the game by then.

    All those top teams are competiting from exceptionally high base lines but once there the expenditure produces diminishing returns and other factors come into play. Management, injuries, suspensions and fortune. This is why your last sentence is spot on. Squad cost is a rough trend based on probability.
     
  3. RoadrunnerReloaded

    RoadrunnerReloaded Well-Known Member

    This thread :lol:

    Its also funny how "Mark Tobias" jumps out of the woodwork at the tiniest perceived slight to his mate but is of course silent when his pal throws out all sorts of personal insults, passive aggressive, condescending posts with more strawmen than Kroenke has on his ranch
     
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  4. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    You need to relax bro. This has got nothing to do with @Mark Tobias you're just trying to stir it.
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2018
  5. Preacher

    Preacher Anti-Ornstein

    Persons who see and understand squad cost only in black and white should save their keyboards and internet bandwith. You are wasting it.
     
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  6. BigPoppaPump

    BigPoppaPump Well-Known Member

    People in here calling squad cost a theory now?

    Can someone explain to me how you argue against the idea that the richest teams who buy the best players in Europe every summer are the ones who are gonna win the league? It's practically a fact.
     
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  7. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    Apparently you can :rolleyes:
     
  8. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    I'm out of here. As usual when we lose a few games the frustrated come in this thread to kick off.

    In fact it might as well be closed now there's nothing more to say on this. It's the same arguments going round and round. 'If it's all to do with money, how come Leicester won then'. etc Rinse repeat.
     
  9. Beksl

    Beksl Sell All The Youngsters

    Hard to do that when you bring up squad cost in every thread you post.
     
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  10. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    You could try posting something yourself instead of critising other people. Now there's an idea.
     
  11. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Thanks for the response. I agree for the most partt.
     
  12. bingobob

    bingobob Fan of Technicians Who Show Great Character

    I've posted something different, no reply. Similarly when we got beat by Swansea you asked for my thoughts on Conte/Chelsea getting beat by Bournemouth. I said it had no relevance and you just jumped onto I believe Man Utd getting beaten and I questioned why a conversation starting on Wenger has jumped to different managers. No reply.
    When talking about squad value (more realistic than squad cost) you don't reply.

    So you can't have it both ways. Complaining people bring up the same arguments and ignoring when people bring up others.
     
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  13. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    Yeah I asked you your thoughts on Chelsea getting beat and you said :
    I'm out if this thread now because it's going toxic. I believe I discussed your squad valuation post with you as well. I'm going to look up some of these points and PM you. I'll also answer your last post in this thread.
     
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  14. gunner4lyfe

    gunner4lyfe Well-Known Member

    Wenger needed to go. Constantly comparing him to Emery doesnt change that. Move on
     
  15. samshere

    samshere Why so serieuse?

    Agree. But what it does prove is how difficult the job is and Wenger was doing a decent job all things considered. To replace him will be incredibly difficult and no johnny come lately will be able to it, as most were expecting.
    Its also why I'm against Arteta, no matter how much he's learned at Pep's knee.
     
  16. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    Of course he needed to go. All those FA Cups, top 4 finishes, CL knockout games were boring right. And coming 2nd to Leicester was the last straw.

    So the fan rants took him down to Euoropa League level and the club got in a Europa League Specialist and everybody was happy.

    Except a few of us, who were ****ing livid.
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2019
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  17. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Actually the comparisons to Emery are showing quite clearly why Wenger never needed to go and that we, as a fanbase, were acting like a bunch of spoilt brats who had no idea how good we had it.

    What actually needed to happen was a restructuring of how we do business in the market..
     
  18. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    Everything that is wrong with the club is all because we held onto Wenger longer than we should have................ we talked about how we can't sack Wenger cause we need to have muh transition plan or else we will hire a David Moyes, yet in the end we still hired a David Moyes. The entire culture of the club is rotten and after Wenger we still held onto the virtues of being a tortoise and waiting for things to fall onto our lap. Until we can find a figure who can make the same impact in us as Wenger once did, that Pep/Klopp is making in their current club, we can forget about the fortunes of the club improving.
     
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  19. <<reed>>

    <<reed>> Meme Merchant

    Yeah, Wenger was so good that got 63 points in his last season.
    He should have accepted working with a DoF and delegate the transfer activity to other people earlier, his transfers in the latest years were his biggest weakness imo.
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2019
  20. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Which was an absolute anomaly compared to his 20 other seasons... Weak argument this.
     
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