the thing with young players is that if you go and buy 10 top youngsters maybe 2-3 will ever make the first team/would ever be good enough. Wenger is trying to get a monopoly on the worlds youth, which certainly isn't bad. Competition breeds success and it is neccesary in a lot of aspects of life not just football. At the moment we have Vela Walcott Bendtner Lupoli Fonte all have potential- some more than others if these guys have to improve their game 10 or 20% to get into the reserves and another 30% to get in the first team thats not a bad thing.
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Will the signing of more youngsters hinder our current ones?
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_scorpion_
Established Member
Talent will only get you to the doorstep of opportunity.
Its what you do with the talent that will decide whether you become a success.
The more youngsters, the better.
The good ones will make it.
Its what you do with the talent that will decide whether you become a success.
The more youngsters, the better.
The good ones will make it.
gunner_down_under
Well-Known Member
_scorpion_ back from the dead! Thought you didn't post outside of transfer windows!
But what you said is spot on mate. We can't expect all of our youngsters to make it in the premiership, but rest assured that the ones who come through will be "da bombs"!
But what you said is spot on mate. We can't expect all of our youngsters to make it in the premiership, but rest assured that the ones who come through will be "da bombs"!
warwickmac
New Member
We should keep scouting the world for the best young players as even if they don't make it at Arsenal they will make it some where else. Our youth system is now thought of as highley as Ajax's and this means we can sell the players we don't want for upto 2 -3 million pounds. We pay our best paid youngster (Wallcot) £10k a week which is just £520k a year how much could we sell him for? I know we brought Wallcot for a lot of money but how much could we sell Cesc for?
Keep getting those young stars Arsène and keep making us money while we pay of the stadium!
Keep getting those young stars Arsène and keep making us money while we pay of the stadium!
sam88668
Member
signing more youngsters with great potential will be a good thing for the club. then we will have more great players to pick from in the future and the best possible team and the ones who had the potential but didn't quite make the grade will leave.
famous no 10
Established Member
It's the only possible way we can compete with a "club" like chelski ...i.e, develop an excellent young squad every few years that makes the nucleus of the team, for next to no money, and keep adding quality to the youth side every year.
It's a long term investment, it aids competiton for places, they learn from each other, and every now and then we'll get gems like Cesc coming through if they are good enough.
It doesn't stifle anyone, quite the opposite...they either get their chances to impress in training, in the reserves, carling cup, on loan, whatever...part of "making it" at a club like ours would be to perform under pressure, knowing there is another young gun waiting to take your place if you f**k up.
Keep them coming Wenger.
It's a long term investment, it aids competiton for places, they learn from each other, and every now and then we'll get gems like Cesc coming through if they are good enough.
It doesn't stifle anyone, quite the opposite...they either get their chances to impress in training, in the reserves, carling cup, on loan, whatever...part of "making it" at a club like ours would be to perform under pressure, knowing there is another young gun waiting to take your place if you f**k up.
Keep them coming Wenger.
dvandyke
Active Member
This is a very interesting debate. My sympathies lie with the thread starter.
I believe that for talent to rapidly develop the player must be exposed to first team football. You can only learn so much in training and reserve games but once a player has physically developed, he needs to play under the spotlight with seasoned professionals. This is the only way you ever truly find out if a player is good enough to cope with the pressures of real football and whether he can produce for the first team.
There are very few opportunities for the kids to get this experience and if these rare occasions have to be shared amongst too many young players then none will get a fair chance to show what they can do.
I think we are just about reaching the limit in some positions.
I believe that for talent to rapidly develop the player must be exposed to first team football. You can only learn so much in training and reserve games but once a player has physically developed, he needs to play under the spotlight with seasoned professionals. This is the only way you ever truly find out if a player is good enough to cope with the pressures of real football and whether he can produce for the first team.
There are very few opportunities for the kids to get this experience and if these rare occasions have to be shared amongst too many young players then none will get a fair chance to show what they can do.
I think we are just about reaching the limit in some positions.
carlos_sm
Member
I dont think this is a problem, a real problem will be a lack of quality players on thr youth system. Then we should be complaining.
Is very simple, get the best young talent around the world (in wenger we trust) develop that players, whoever is good enough goes to the first team, if not is selled. Imagine if one of Arsenal scouts finds a gem, the next great striker, pure class, aged 16 and costing 500k, how can Arsenal say no to that player just because it will harm fonte/vela/murphy/etc.. development, it's just logics.
Altough its important to keep players morale high and give every player a chance to make it, Arsenal is not a place where players can come and have a nice life with a place in the team reserved, if someone better comes he takes the place, its a matter of the player to decide if he works hard for the place or prefers to move on.
Arsenal must look for its wealth, youth signings are the less risky signings you get the players on the cheap, if they work then great, if they don't you didn't spend that big money on them. Wouldn't be great in 5 years to see sceczny (sp?), oceaurill, parisio, traore, merida, cesc, denilson, van den berg, fonte, vela, lupoli, all playing in the first team as world class players.
Is very simple, get the best young talent around the world (in wenger we trust) develop that players, whoever is good enough goes to the first team, if not is selled. Imagine if one of Arsenal scouts finds a gem, the next great striker, pure class, aged 16 and costing 500k, how can Arsenal say no to that player just because it will harm fonte/vela/murphy/etc.. development, it's just logics.
Altough its important to keep players morale high and give every player a chance to make it, Arsenal is not a place where players can come and have a nice life with a place in the team reserved, if someone better comes he takes the place, its a matter of the player to decide if he works hard for the place or prefers to move on.
Arsenal must look for its wealth, youth signings are the less risky signings you get the players on the cheap, if they work then great, if they don't you didn't spend that big money on them. Wouldn't be great in 5 years to see sceczny (sp?), oceaurill, parisio, traore, merida, cesc, denilson, van den berg, fonte, vela, lupoli, all playing in the first team as world class players.
Don Pacifico
Established Member
OK, let's think about this objectively. If we rely on say 2 youth player in a position, for arguments sake we shall say LB, then what happens if neither of them are of the right standard? Then we have to go an buy a LB who will cost millions. On the other hand if you have say 4 LB's, then there is a greater chance that one of them will make it. This is important, because the percentage of youth players that make it at top clubs is very low and with a club like ours who will now be in debt for another couple of decades, it is important to minimise expenditure be it on players or other things. The way Arsène cuts costs on players, is by trying to concentrate a lot of resources on the youth development, which in the longterm, is vastly cheaper than just buying already established footballers. If Arsène thinks it is more prudent to get more youth players, then he is more than likely correct on this, let's trust him, after all, he hasn't done to badly over the years. :wink:
themyth
Member
I have faith in the scouting system of Arsène and his network. It has been proven time and again that with the right attitude (cesc, senderos, eboue) that youngsters can make it at Arsenal. Arsène has faith in his youngsters and if they are capable to step up they can become world beaters. However with so many coming through, the attitudes of players are the main issues. Pennant, Bentley and now we are seeing Bendtner are too impatient and this is where many youngsters find it hard to break through. We do loan out many players but it is up to Arsène to find the balance for the best team for the future. Saying that the future is bright and it is maybe the only way to build a truely strong team though years of playing with each other.
themaestro
New Member
the more the youngsters come the more the depth of the squad in the future, youngsters are always more hungry for success and to impress than established stars, so i say bring on the youngsters
bigtimetopbanana
Active Member
Wenger has a real passion for football, and for developing young talent, no matter if they end up at Arsenal long term.
If Lupoli, Bendtner, Muamba and Gilbert do not make the Arsenal first team, but end up having great footballing careers at mid-level teams, I'm sure Wenger will only be happy for them. Darn, he's even happy that Pennent and Cashley are enjoying themselves at the Pool and Chavski.
Notice how happy he is about developing Anelka, even though he didn't manage to hold onto him?
This is what Wenger is about, and what makes him so special, and so different to Mourinho. He cares about the players, and wants the best for them, even if they leave.
If Lupoli, Bendtner, Muamba and Gilbert do not make the Arsenal first team, but end up having great footballing careers at mid-level teams, I'm sure Wenger will only be happy for them. Darn, he's even happy that Pennent and Cashley are enjoying themselves at the Pool and Chavski.
Notice how happy he is about developing Anelka, even though he didn't manage to hold onto him?
This is what Wenger is about, and what makes him so special, and so different to Mourinho. He cares about the players, and wants the best for them, even if they leave.
