Yves Bissouma

[Yousif Arsenal]

I bet we get less than 30 for both. 20 for Charlie Adam and 7 for Douzi.

Nah i think we'll hold for 40m for both 30m is ridiculous

 

[Sebastes]

He 5 years younger and potentially better Bissouma Partey are very similar different profiles needed

Xhaka is 27 and I'd argue in his prime. He's one of Arteta's most trusted players and knows the tactics and other players very well. There's just no chance Neves comes in and improves on Xhaka short term. If you want to keep the profile of Xhaka but upgrade on him in some way you try to find someone with similar traits but with more mobility, agility and pace. Neves is not it.

I don't disagree we could benefit from a different profile compared to Partey and Bissouma but I'd also argue that they aren't quite as similar as people on here tend to make them out to be.

 

[Atlas]

Nah i think we'll hold for 40m for both 30m is ridiculous

Edu is capable of much more than ridiculous. We would be lucky to get 30m the way we sell players.

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

Xhaka is 27 and I'd argue in his prime. He's one of Arteta's most trusted players and knows the tactics and other players very well. There's just no chance Neves comes in and improves on Xhaka short term. If you want to keep the profile of Xhaka but upgrade on him in some way you try to find someone with similar traits but with more mobility, agility and pace. Neves is not it.

I don't disagree we could benefit from a different profile compared to Partey and Bissouma but I'd also argue that they aren't quite as similar as people on here tend to make them out to be.

That's why we replace him with similar player but with more potential and brain. Xhaka-Partey worked really well in 4231.

 

[Let's play Aubamawang]

On the assumption that all 3 of Bissouma, Partey and El Nenny reach the final, which is impossible, I think they would miss 2 league games.

Worst case scenario is we are left with Willock, young CM, Azeez, Saka and Chambers for 1 or 2 games.

You're assuming they don't go off for a training camp one, maybe two weeks before the tournament. And that is a lot of players to miss even for a handful of games. There's some great African players out there, I just don't think it's sensible to rely on too many of them in the first team.

As for a South American, I was thinking more of a hidden gem like Martinelli so we can use funds elsewhere.

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

Edu is capable of much more than ridiculous. We would be lucky to get 30m the way we sell players.

Not his fault when teams being cheap really we under value both plsyers.

 

[Sebastes]

That's why we replace him with similar player but with more potential and brain. Xhaka-Partey worked really well in 4231.

If Xhaka end up leaving, then that's fair. But if we want to upgrade our midfield, this isn't the way to do it IMHO (and it's stupid to think otherwise!)

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

If Xhaka end up leaving, then that's fair. But if we want to upgrade our midfield, this isn't the way to do it IMHO (and it's stupid to think otherwise!)

Yes i think we getting Neves because him leaving to Roma wouldn't make sense getting Neves and Xhaka still here we'd only settle for someone like Bissouma but now we need both because him leaving

 

[Legend14]

If Xhaka end up leaving, then that's fair. But if we want to upgrade our midfield, this isn't the way to do it IMHO (and it's stupid to think otherwise!)

How would you do it then?

I see Bissouma as an upgrade to Xhaka and a better partner for Partey. In the 4-2-3-1 he makes sense.

I don’t see Xhaka moving us forward, so keeping him does nothing.

 

[Sebastes]

How would you do it then?

I see Bissouma as an upgrade to Xhaka and a better partner for Partey. In the 4-2-3-1 he makes sense.

I don’t see Xhaka moving us forward, so keeping does nothing.

I'd be very happy with Bissouma as well, or why not Tchouaméni who made Ligue 1 team of the year at 21 y/o. Both would work in a pivot as well as the holding mid in a 3 with Partey on one side and why not ESR or Saka on the other..?

I'm also one of the few(?) on here, together with @Toby Andrl who thinks Sabitzer would be a very good signing for where we're at right now.

Ideally though, we'd go all in for Ryan Gravenberch. But that's somewhat of a pipe dream

I'm not arguing we should keep Xhaka. I actually don't rate his skill set at all in the PL - though I think he could be immense in Serie A. What I'm saying is just that Neves wouldn't be an upgrade on him.

 

[yorch44]

Bissouma by himself is not gonna make ya better attacking. I agree he would be a very nice signing only if we get a very good CAM. Problem is what CAM are we going to get... We lost already the one suited us better and probably Ode as well. Now we are going for Neves and Brandt? Pfffff

 

[Legend14]

I'd be very happy with Bissouma as well, or why not Tchouaméni who made Ligue 1 team of the year at 21 y/o. Both would work in a pivot as well as the holding mid in a 3 with Partey on one side and why not ESR or Saka on the other..?

I'm also one of the few(?) on here, together with @Toby Andrl who thinks Sabitzer would be a very good signing for where we're at right now.

Ideally though, we'd go all in for Ryan Gravenberch. But that's somewhat of a pipe dream

I'm not arguing we should keep Xhaka. I actually don't rate his skill set at all in the PL - though I think he could be immense in Serie A. What I'm saying is just that Neves wouldn't be an upgrade on him.

Yes, I agree Neves is not an upgrade.

 

[albakos]

People who call footballers by their first names are so weird.

Haha I love that by Mesut, I wonder if that's him or someone he hired for his social media.

Go on Dani pass it straight to them

And that's just the midfielders

 

[BigPoppaPump]

And that's just the midfielders

Did you really search every players first name with my username? I was being sarcastic there anyway.

 

[albakos]

Did you really search every players first name with my username? I was being sarcastic there anyway.

Not really, these were the first two midfielders that popped up, I didn't search for others: defenders, attack etc...

I am sure you have plenty other mentions of Granit, Sead, Shkodran, Mohammed, Nicolas, Martin, Aisnley etc....

 

[Rasmi]

This is what you call a press resistence. See how often teams try to press him and his ability to beat a player with first steps and pace is impressive. Something slow midfielders cant do. I watched their game against City and even though City were down to 10. Brighton won and there were so many incidents City tried to press him and he beat them and open the play for Brighton. second half they actually stopped pressing him. Now lets compare it to the neves video. every video is him shooting long distance and long passes to wide players. Off the ball he is simply bad

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

There is still no serious links with Bissouma but most reliable sites saying he is a target we looking at so that positive maybe after Neves and selling Guendouzi we'd go for him hopefully he patient to wait.

 

[Maybe]

Much better player than Partey, but I wouldn't mind seeing them together in midfield. At least it would be one area where we would be dominant if we get this guy.

 

[MD3 Gunner]

Much better player than Partey, but I wouldn't mind seeing them together in midfield. At least it would be one area where we would be dominant if we get this guy.

Thanks for nothing but your opinion

 

[yorch44]

This is what you call a press resistence. See how often teams try to press him and his ability to beat a player with first steps and pace is impressive. Something slow midfielders cant do. I watched their game against City and even though City were down to 10. Brighton won and there were so many incidents City tried to press him and he beat them and open the play for Brighton. second half they actually stopped pressing him. Now lets compare it to the neves video. every video is him shooting long distance and long passes to wide players. Off the ball he is simply bad

If we pair him with Partey then we should play a very classic two men midfield. The two are capable of attacking and defending so they should be coordinating very well to cover each other. When one attacks the other stays. And the CAM should have more Freedom. Ironically thats the perfect midfield for Özil.

In a three mid field I don't know... One has to sit more deeply always... And i don't know which of them would suit that. Both are more dynamic players who likes to roam. More like a b2b