Ashley Cole (Out)

[Roningooner]

Dont believe the tabloids quoting TH, these are the same crap spreading knobwits that bigged up Englands chance winning the world cup.

 

[celestis]

Henry's got a point. I hate to say it, but clichy and flamini arent as good as cole is yet, and we'd be losing another senior player at the club. wenger himself has said we need experience.

Henry mentioned that selling cole to chelsea would be selling one of our key assets to the team we're trying to catch. its a double whammy and thats a really good point. at the mo, they've got wayne bridge as their only natural LB (assuming gallas leaves - and he doesnt like playing there anyway) so that could be where chelsea could be exploited. selling cole to em would make the LB position one of their strong points instead.

the more i look at it from this perspective the more i want to keep him.

Indeed. I don't know why Henry's comments have caused such a stir. He signed a new contract on the basis that our ambitions would continue to be in line with his.

As far as he's concerned, the rest of the players don't have a problem with Cole and he's also a key member of the team. His relationship with the board and the fans has little to do with what goes on on the pitch. Nobody can blame him for looking at things from a pure sporting point of view. Who caused the situation is not important to him, but resolving it so that one of the clubs best assets is not allowed to move to a rival they're trying to catch, is.

Ashley's behaviour has been lamentable, but it does not excuse selling one of your best players to your main rivals. Gallas is regularly on French tv dissing Chelsea, but Kenyon would rather wine and dine all of the Arsenal officials than allow him to join us.

You still don't get it do you?

Cole wants out. We would not be selling him if he didn't want out. Arsène wanted him to stay, but Cole wants to leave this club. He wants to go drinking and groping waitresses with his buddies Fat Frank and John 'Handball' Terry, because they are so frightfully English.

So let's get the facts straight:
1) Cole met with Chelsea.
2) Cole wants to leave Arsenal.
3) We want to sell.

So why is Henry *****ing? If he likes Cole so much he should think about joining Chelsea, because it's 99% sure that Cashley will never play for us again.

3 parties have to agree to a deal so it's not as simple as you're making out. Cole may want to leave, but he is still under contract at Arsenal, and therefore the club do not have to sell.

While I'm impressed with your creative names for people, I really don't give a s**t about what Ashley does in his social life, (what the f**K does groping waittresses have to do with anything?) or who he chooses to socialise with.

Henry is a winner. He has been throughout his career. If him '*****ing' equates to showing concern about a possible willingness to part with yet another massive player in such a short space of time, without truly strengthening then we better sell him too eh? :roll:

So according to you we should keep a player who doesn't want to be here and, more importantly, has spit in our faces repeatedly, just because he is good?

Where is your sense of loyalty to the club? If your wife banged your neighbour, would you still keep her around because she's pretty and a great cook?

The point Gurgen is making mate - is that Wenger wants Cole to STAY always has . Ash on the other hand wants desperately to leave. As for Thierry, he should have been talking to Cole before , it's a bit late now to arc up.

 

[RocktheCasbah]

but fully fit he's a better LB than Hoyte or Flamini.

Just needs to grow a new set of legs, simple really.

But not likely...

And it's for that reason I'd like to see Justin given a run at left back, I know he wasn't great yesterday. But he seems able to cope with the Premiership physically, and if he's good enough he could certainly grow into this position. We need stability and continuity there, not someone who's always injured and not someone who could end up pulled into midfield.

Anyway, there's a few games to go before the transfer window shuts, maybe Justin can impress and save Arsène some money, otherwise....

 

[awooga83]

Its actually a shame they didn't shove him in the ground at ashburton when they were growing the new grass, you know so he could suck up nutrients and the sort and possibly become some sort of grass based x-man for us, well that will always be the dream anyway.

As for Hoyte i'm not totally sure, i understand you need to give someone a proper run but the other day he looked quite a bit off the pace but not just because he wasn't fit enough, he didn't seem to be able to anticipate things and found himself in the wrong position quite a few times.

 

[gunnerturk]

When a wound does not get a treatment it turn into a gangrene, spreads to other parts and eventually takes over entire body.Result is fatal. The part is infected needs to be amputated.It is a very painful process but needs to be done to save the entire body. Don't let that little prick spread his poison any more, get rid of him before its too late.

 

[Big Poppa]

So according to you we should keep a player who doesn't want to be here and, more importantly, has spit in our faces repeatedly, just because he is good?

Where is your sense of loyalty to the club? If your wife banged your neighbour, would you still keep her around because she's pretty and a great cook?

Haha nice analogy!

Problem is though, football is a results business whereas marriage is a lifetime commitment between 2 people. 'Loyalty' does not exist in football how it does between husband and wife. The passion provided by us fans creates the justified expectation that it should do, but in reality it doesn't. It's a career. Arsenal are the players' employers and their workplace too. Except we don't see through those same spectacles.

There is no expiry date on a marriage contract, your wife does not expect to be paid to be with you, there are no rules allowing you to date other women in the final year of your marriage. It's completely different.

Footballers are not 'married' to clubs. But we expect them to show honour and respect to the clubs they play for. All we have to go on is trust. In that sense I maintain that Cole's recent behaviour has been of the lowest class. Nothing can really justify what he did. But yes, I do think we should keep him 'just because he's good'.

The fact that he is as good as he is has a direct affect on the football club's immediate prospects. My wife's looks and cooking ability have no affect on mine. I've chosen to place this over my own pride despite some of the things that have gone on, for the sake of Arsenal being a stronger competitive force.

My loyalty to the club? It's right there ^^^.

 

[Gurgen]

It's not your or my pride, it's Arsenal's pride.

But we'll never agree so let's leave it at that.

 

[fanatic gooner]

So according to you we should keep a player who doesn't want to be here and, more importantly, has spit in our faces repeatedly, just because he is good?

Where is your sense of loyalty to the club? If your wife banged your neighbour, would you still keep her around because she's pretty and a great cook?

Haha nice analogy!

Problem is though, football is a results business whereas marriage is a lifetime commitment between 2 people. 'Loyalty' does not exist in football how it does between husband and wife. The passion provided by us fans creates the justified expectation that it should do, but in reality it doesn't. It's a career. Arsenal are the players' employers and their workplace too. Except we don't see through those same spectacles.

There is no expiry date on a marriage contract, your wife does not expect to be paid to be with you, there are no rules allowing you to date other women in the final year of your marriage. It's completely different.

Footballers are not 'married' to clubs. But we expect them to show honour and respect to the clubs they play for. All we have to go on is trust. In that sense I maintain that Cole's recent behaviour has been of the lowest class. Nothing can really justify what he did. But yes, I do think we should keep him 'just because he's good'.

The fact that he is as good as he is has a direct affect on the football club's immediate prospects. My wife's looks and cooking ability have no affect on mine. I've chosen to place this over my own pride despite some of the things that have gone on, for the sake of Arsenal being a stronger competitive force.

My loyalty to the club? It's right there ^^^.

great post

 

[Legend#1]

Dont believe the tabloids quoting TH, these are the same crap spreading knobwits that bigged up Englands chance winning the world cup.

Henry has a contract with The Sun, it's gospel if they quote him.

 

[burnsjed]

Also the problem with keeping him around is, given his contract only has 2 years left on it, ultimately we are letting an assets value deteriorate.

He is unhappy at Arsenal, that is clear.
He has dragged our name through the dirt, that is clear.
He is not the only left back in the World, though some give him the title of the best in the World, I wonder how many outside of England believe that.
Ask any Italian, and I am sure the first name that springs to mind is not that of Ashley Cole.

It is unfortunate that he does not have an escape route via Madrid, and Chelsea are the only team that are courting him.
Especially as they ultimately unsettled him.

It is time to let him go, cash in, and turn the next page in our future.
The longer he stays, especially with this book coming out, the worse the situation is going to get.

 

[kym7224]

As a foreigner and Arsenal fan.. I don't agree he is best LB in the world.

He can be one of the best not the best that's for sure.

Before Euro 2004, everybody said 'Cole is very good on getting forward but ordinary at back' and he shutout C.Ronaldo on Euro 2004 it turned 'Best LB in the World' by English media.

Right now after ordinary or disappointing WC 2006 maybe Lahm can say he is best in the world.

To me, and many foreigner I believe, 25M (some tabloid mentioned) on LB is crazy price, I would be sell him even he is royal to us.
Thanks for the English price.

 

[Clrnc]

now henry is pissed and i believe most gooners are pissed about this. seriously i agree with henry. it would be a MASSIVE blow selling cole to chelsea. but the thing is that this thing started because ashley is a super money face

 

[Lord Dula]

**** Cole up his stupid arse.

Do you know that on his and Tweedy's wedding gift list was a diamond encrusted personalised x-box. How ghastly is that?

Like I said, **** him up his stupid arse.

 

[Harding]

probably from a Mr R. Abramovich

 

[th14fan]

Waiting for this thing to fruition sucks!!

 

[jimjamz]

maybe when he gets his big money move across town then he can buy himself that x-box with his very own roubles...prick

 

[awooga83]

Big poppa If you argue its for the sake of Arsenal being a competitive force then its not necessarily beneficial to keep Cole either.

The fact is here we have a player who doesn't want to play for us who is actively seeking a move away and is criticising the club. If you say to him your not going anywhere now just shut up and give your all for us thats not going to happen. He will not be giving his all on the pitch for us. So therefore we won't have the player everyone thinks we will have. If you let him rot in the reserves our competitiveness will still be diminished.

But then we will have a player who hates the club and wants away, potentilaly destabilizing others around him. The longer hes still here the longer he has to convince any friends he has in the dressing room that Arsenal are the bad guys or even influence the youngsters in a negative way.His only influence now will be negative hes not just going to go back to how he was 2 years ago. For the benefit of Arsenal football club remaining a competitive force long term i would therefore say that it is in our interests to sell him otherwise its a short sighted approach.

Future players will learn they can hold us to ransom and do what they want. On top of this you have the betrayal of the fans which you can dismiss but many here myself included find it is a big deal and coupled with the other negative effects its better to get rid of him for the greater good.

 

[jimjamz]

i dont think the argument is necessarily that cole should not go because i agree with you awooga that his influence if he remains at arsenal whilst not wanting to be there could be a very bad one.It is therefore,unfortunately,probably necessary for us to get rid of him and maximise the amount of money we can get.

The thing that really bites with me,as ive said before and many others have too,is that he has to go to one of our great domestic rivals.if he was going to madrid i would be alot happier about the whole situation,but it appears that its not to be and so chel4ki are the only other option on the table for him.it is a shame that we have to lose a great player to one our great rivals,but i can see little way around it.

 

[RedNWhite]

Big poppa If you argue its for the sake of Arsenal being a competitive force then its not necessarily beneficial to keep Cole either.

The fact is here we have a player who doesn't want to play for us who is actively seeking a move away and is criticising the club. If you say to him your not going anywhere now just shut up and give your all for us thats not going to happen. He will not be giving his all on the pitch for us. So therefore we won't have the player everyone thinks we will have. If you let him rot in the reserves our competitiveness will still be diminished.

But then we will have a player who hates the club and wants away, potentilaly destabilizing others around him. The longer hes still here the longer he has to convince any friends he has in the dressing room that Arsenal are the bad guys or even influence the youngsters in a negative way.His only influence now will be negative hes not just going to go back to how he was 2 years ago. For the benefit of Arsenal football club remaining a competitive force long term i would therefore say that it is in our interests to sell him otherwise its a short sighted approach.

Future players will learn they can hold us to ransom and do what they want. On top of this you have the betrayal of the fans which you can dismiss but many here myself included find it is a big deal and coupled with the other negative effects its better to get rid of him for the greater good.

I couldn't have said it better myself. There seems to be certain players (not just Cole) that are a bad influence. Not much intelligence + mountains of money = One huge chip on the shoulder.

Cole seems to have been a Jermaine Pennant waiting to get out. Rio Ferdinand was exactly the same, although he miraculously cheered up when he got his £100,000 a week wish. I hate to say it, but it appears that quite a few of the England players of today are a clone of each other. Greedy, spoilt and tasteless. That diamond encrusted x-box sums Cole up completely. It's people like him who will deter people from spending their hard earned cash on football games. We need to have good natured, disciplined players. Cole has to go.

 

[jimjamz]

unfortunately these players that rednwhite talks of are always going to be in the game.it comes with the fact that most footballers come from deprived backgrounds in places like east or south london,just as cole and ferdinand did,or clifton in nottingham as pennant did, and when thousands of pounds are waved in front of their nose its lure is irresistible.

it points to a much deeper problem with football that,in my opinion,clubs should better protect their investments i.e the players as it is ignorant of them to assume that they can simply pluck these players from these backgrounds and give them fame and fortune and expect them to deal with it.cole is a prime example,as he is living the dream of every young arsenal fan by playing for his boyhood club and his country,but cant resist the lure of romans roubles, and i think its a real problem which has to be dealt with.[/quote]