Dirk Kuyt

[Raghav89]

tbh, i haven seen him play much and when i see him play, he didnt impress me at all. would prefer torres or klose or any other strikers we are linked with.

If you are judging Kuyt's ability from what you have seen in the world cup then I think your mighty wrong. Kuyt is proven in the dutch league and he has been scoring 20+ goals for the last three seasons. If anything he has been much more consistent then Torres in the eredivisie which is a much more competitive league physically then La Liga.

you are quite right. i judged him from the worlc cup games and only a FEW eredivise games. and in all he is only just average. i know his goalscoring record in holland is great but look at kezman. i think in holland, only if you can score 30+ goals, then you are good enough for the top leagues. i agree with asa eredivise is one of the weakest. i think of the top leagues only scotland is below.

what would u prefer lets be realistic

30 million torres very inconsisten the last two seasons finishing with less then 20 goals

10 million kuyt proven striker, finishing with AT LEAST 20 goals a season for the last three seasons

Kuyt for me

dude torres is 22 has 63 la liga goals and play's for a mid table side.on the other hand feyenoord is a top dutch club and kuyt is 26 and he scored 26 goals last season but when dirk was 22 did he have 63 eredivise goal's despite duthc eredivise being much simpler than la liga

 

[asajoseph]

Good Player but nothing exceptional
we need Dont anymore strikers really.
We have
TH14 : Main Man
RvP : Constant Goal threat
Ade : Persistent Annoyance
Reyes : Second striker
each bring a diffrent style of Attack, dont think we have had this much of a varied attack in awhile, if AW can get them all to perform next season then well be fine.
Also we have been going down the route of developing youngster so Theo and Bentner need to get some minutes in.
Id be happy to stick with our striking options till jan then see what happens.

This is the arsenal first team we are talking about, and it definately needs depth. Firstly reyes for arsenal and spain is played on the wing so i dont think u should consider him as a striker. Secondly walcott and bentner are still youth and will not be our players who will be challenging for the premiership next season. By having 4 established strikers in henry, adebayor, van persie and kuyt, we definately can challenge for the title given that each one of them is capable of scoring goals. Don't get me wrong I think walcott and bentner are huge talents and will become great players, but not right now.

The can f worms is re-opened...

If you have been watching arsenal play u would know he has been playing on the wing for the WHOLE SEASON.

Wrong. He actually played a few games up front, including the one you can see in Gurgen's avatar.

 

[AlAmer14]

Good Player but nothing exceptional
we need Dont anymore strikers really.
We have
TH14 : Main Man
RvP : Constant Goal threat
Ade : Persistent Annoyance
Reyes : Second striker
each bring a diffrent style of Attack, dont think we have had this much of a varied attack in awhile, if AW can get them all to perform next season then well be fine.
Also we have been going down the route of developing youngster so Theo and Bentner need to get some minutes in.
Id be happy to stick with our striking options till jan then see what happens.

This is the arsenal first team we are talking about, and it definately needs depth. Firstly reyes for arsenal and spain is played on the wing so i dont think u should consider him as a striker. Secondly walcott and bentner are still youth and will not be our players who will be challenging for the premiership next season. By having 4 established strikers in henry, adebayor, van persie and kuyt, we definately can challenge for the title given that each one of them is capable of scoring goals. Don't get me wrong I think walcott and bentner are huge talents and will become great players, but not right now.

The can f worms is re-opened...

If you have been watching arsenal play u would know he has been playing on the wing for the WHOLE SEASON.

Wrong. He actually played a few games up front, including the one you can see in Gurgen's avatar.

ok well how come reyes doesnt have many goals then, he is the most assisting winger in the premiership with 11 assists, so the majority of the season he has been playing on the wing and its evident from his assists.

 

[asajoseph]

Good Player but nothing exceptional
we need Dont anymore strikers really.
We have
TH14 : Main Man
RvP : Constant Goal threat
Ade : Persistent Annoyance
Reyes : Second striker
each bring a diffrent style of Attack, dont think we have had this much of a varied attack in awhile, if AW can get them all to perform next season then well be fine.
Also we have been going down the route of developing youngster so Theo and Bentner need to get some minutes in.
Id be happy to stick with our striking options till jan then see what happens.

This is the arsenal first team we are talking about, and it definately needs depth. Firstly reyes for arsenal and spain is played on the wing so i dont think u should consider him as a striker. Secondly walcott and bentner are still youth and will not be our players who will be challenging for the premiership next season. By having 4 established strikers in henry, adebayor, van persie and kuyt, we definately can challenge for the title given that each one of them is capable of scoring goals. Don't get me wrong I think walcott and bentner are huge talents and will become great players, but not right now.

The can f worms is re-opened...

If you have been watching arsenal play u would know he has been playing on the wing for the WHOLE SEASON.

Wrong. He actually played a few games up front, including the one you can see in Gurgen's avatar.

ok well how come reyes doesnt have many goals then, he is the most assisting winger in the premiership with 11 assists, so the majority of the season he has been playing on the wing and its evident from his assists.

Do you actually watch the games?

It really helps.

 

[Raghav89]

anyway's their's a reason he's called dirk shyte

 

[AlAmer14]

Good Player but nothing exceptional
we need Dont anymore strikers really.
We have
TH14 : Main Man
RvP : Constant Goal threat
Ade : Persistent Annoyance
Reyes : Second striker
each bring a diffrent style of Attack, dont think we have had this much of a varied attack in awhile, if AW can get them all to perform next season then well be fine.
Also we have been going down the route of developing youngster so Theo and Bentner need to get some minutes in.
Id be happy to stick with our striking options till jan then see what happens.

This is the arsenal first team we are talking about, and it definately needs depth. Firstly reyes for arsenal and spain is played on the wing so i dont think u should consider him as a striker. Secondly walcott and bentner are still youth and will not be our players who will be challenging for the premiership next season. By having 4 established strikers in henry, adebayor, van persie and kuyt, we definately can challenge for the title given that each one of them is capable of scoring goals. Don't get me wrong I think walcott and bentner are huge talents and will become great players, but not right now.

The can f worms is re-opened...

If you have been watching arsenal play u would know he has been playing on the wing for the WHOLE SEASON.

Wrong. He actually played a few games up front, including the one you can see in Gurgen's avatar.

ok well how come reyes doesnt have many goals then, he is the most assisting winger in the premiership with 11 assists, so the majority of the season he has been playing on the wing and its evident from his assists.

Do you actually watch the games?

It really helps.

Do I watch the games?? trust me I do, do u watch the games cuz if u did u would know that he has been playing on the wing the whole season of 2005-2006??? If he hasnt been playing on the wing the whole season he is a complete flop cuz his goal scoring record is not the greatest but his assist record is good so that makes up for the goals.

just answer the following question please, what position was he competing with pires for the CPL final??

 

[asajoseph]

Firstly, and I hate to sound like an arse, but it's 'you', not 'u'. Generally we remove posts that include text language, but to do that now would be anal.

Secondly, I have very little time for anyone who's trying to prove where a player plays based upon goalscoring and assist statistics. But, for the time being I'll humour you.

If you'd bothered to watch this season, you'd have
noted that although Reyes spent the majority of 05/06 playing out wide, he did in fact also get playing time as a striker in several games too. You can deny it all you want, and talk about not scoring goals, but the cold, hard facts would prove you wrong.

Your final question, if I were to answer it, would prove nothing. I could, conversely, ask you where he played against Manchester City when he scored two goals after coming on as a substitute.

To help you, here's the match report.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 957436.stm

Simple, no?

 

[AlAmer14]

Firstly, and I hate to sound like an arse, but it's 'you', not 'u'. Generally we remove posts that include text language, but to do that now would be anal.

Secondly, I have very little time for anyone who's trying to prove where a player plays based upon goalscoring and assist statistics. But, for the time being I'll humour you.

If you'd bothered to watch this season, you'd have
noted that although Reyes spent the majority of 05/06 playing out wide, he did in fact also get playing time as a striker in several games too. You can deny it all you want, and talk about not scoring goals, but the cold, hard facts would prove you wrong.

Your final question, if I were to answer it, would prove nothing. I could, conversely, ask you where he played against Manchester City when he scored two goals after coming on as a substitute.

To help you, here's the match report.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 957436.stm

Simple, no?

So what r you saying, reyes has been playing the majority of the season on the wing and obviously has been his effective for the team by being the most assisting winger in the premiership, and now he is going to switch to a striker where his goal scoring is not the greatest with arsenal??

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/st ... 36&cc=5739

check out the amount of goals he has been scoring for arsenal.

where is he more effective, and you want the best out of reyes to prove his price tag

 

[luke the gooner]

kuyt is a good player but saviola is unwated by barca and we could get him for less also i feel that he is a better player

 

[asajoseph]

AlAlmer,

I think we've got ourselves into some unneccessary bother (my fault, probably).

I was merely stating a point of fact, in that whilst Reyes spent most of the time last season on the wing, he did appear up front as well.

This is separate from my oppinion on where Reyes SHOULD play, and how he's performed, which I haven't really brought up in this thread. Actually, I tend to agree with you - I'm not too keen on Reyes playing up front, because the guy's not too good at scoring goals. But that's not what I've been talking about here, and nor is it relevant to this thread.

 

[AlAmer14]

AlAlmer,

I think we've got ourselves into some unneccessary bother (my fault, probably).

I was merely stating a point of fact, in that whilst Reyes spent most of the time last season on the wing, he did appear up front as well.

This is separate from my oppinion on where Reyes SHOULD play, and how he's performed, which I haven't really brought up in this thread. Actually, I tend to agree with you - I'm not too keen on Reyes playing up front, because the guy's not too good at scoring goals. But that's not what I've been talking about here, and nor is it relevant to this thread.

Thank you and I rest my case, its good that you realize that he's more effective on the wing now, given that I also hope you realize that arsenal need a striker given that we have only three established ones henry adebayor and van persie, where we definately need four since every team in my opinion requires 2 players per position. By saying that, Kuyt is definately an option to replace Dennis Bergkamp wouldnt you agree with me???

 

[AlAmer14]

AlAlmer,

I think we've got ourselves into some unneccessary bother (my fault, probably).

I was merely stating a point of fact, in that whilst Reyes spent most of the time last season on the wing, he did appear up front as well.

This is separate from my oppinion on where Reyes SHOULD play, and how he's performed, which I haven't really brought up in this thread. Actually, I tend to agree with you - I'm not too keen on Reyes playing up front, because the guy's not too good at scoring goals. But that's not what I've been talking about here, and nor is it relevant to this thread.

Thank you and I rest my case, its good that you realize that he's more effective on the wing now, given that I also hope you realize that arsenal need a striker given that we have only three established ones henry adebayor and van persie, where we definately need four since every team in my opinion requires 2 players per position. By saying that, Kuyt is definately an option to replace Dennis Bergkamp wouldnt you agree with me???

P.S. I watched every arsenal game last season so trust me I know what I am talking about

 

[asajoseph]

Not sure I've realised anything, I'm just pointing out what I've believed all along.

Not sure we need a striker though - Henry, RVP and Adebayor are all specialists in that position, whilst I have no doubt that we'll start to see Walcott too next season. Reyes might not be my first choice up front, but he's certainly able to do a job up there (more so than someone like Freddie), whilst it's only a matter of time before someone like Bendtner breaks through into the first team squad.

If we were to sign a striker, it would absolutely have to be someone already top class or with the potential to be so in the very near future. Kuijt, as I've said all along, would probably be a good Premiership player, but nothing particularly spectacular, and not really the type of striker we should be looking at, if we're even looking at all.

 

[AlAmer14]

Not sure I've realised anything, I'm just pointing out what I've believed all along.

Not sure we need a striker though - Henry, RVP and Adebayor are all specialists in that position, whilst I have no doubt that we'll start to see Walcott too next season. Reyes might not be my first choice up front, but he's certainly able to do a job up there (more so than someone like Freddie), whilst it's only a matter of time before someone like Bendtner breaks through into the first team squad.

If we were to sign a striker, it would absolutely have to be someone already top class or with the potential to be so in the very near future. Kuijt, as I've said all along, would probably be a good Premiership player, but nothing particularly spectacular, and not really the type of striker we should be looking at, if we're even looking at all.

The amount of chances arsenal create during a game is alot and by having someone like Kuyt who's in and around the box and just loves to put the ball in the back of the net would be fantastic. Sometimes arsenal tend to have a need to walk the ball in the back of the net and by having someone like Kuyt who will just go for goal and not look for the pass would be amazing. Just imagine the amount of goals that would be scored along with the draws that would turn into wins.

Bentner and walcott, im not so sure if its the right time for them. Both of them have alot of potential who will eventually become arsenal stars. Plus we need someone to take the lift off Henry's shoulders, especially if he gets injured.

 

[asajoseph]

Sometimes arsenal tend to have a need to walk the ball in the back of the net and by having someone like Kuyt who will just go for goal and not look for the pass would be amazing.

That's not Kuijt at all - he's a very unselfish player who will, like the rest of our players, always be aware of his passing options as well as the possibility of driving at goal alone.

Just imagine the amount of goals that would be scored along with the draws that would turn into wins.

On the other hand, I don't believe he's got the quality to play far out from goal in the same way that RVP (or indeed the much maligned (by me ) Adebayor). As I've said before, I believe his technique and close control are not really good enough to cut it in the Premiership - what we'd gain in his 'fox in the box' abilities, we'd lose in overall team play. That, in itself, is not bad, but if we're desparate for such a player (and I'm not convinced we are), there are still better out there.

Bentner and walcott, im not so sure if its the right time for them.

Maybe not so much Bendtner (he's way down the pecking order anyway), but Walcott will definitely play a significant role next season. I am absolutely convinced of this.

Plus we need someone to take the lift off Henry's shoulders, especially if he gets injured.

Yes, we do - but the point has been all along that Kuijt probably doesn't have the quality to do this.

 

[AlAmer14]

Sometimes arsenal tend to have a need to walk the ball in the back of the net and by having someone like Kuyt who will just go for goal and not look for the pass would be amazing.

That's not Kuijt at all - he's a very unselfish player who will, like the rest of our players, always be aware of his passing options as well as the possibility of driving at goal alone.

Just imagine the amount of goals that would be scored along with the draws that would turn into wins.

On the other hand, I don't believe he's got the quality to play far out from goal in the same way that RVP (or indeed the much
maligned (by me ) Adebayor). As I've said before, I believe his technique and close control are not really good enough to cut it in the Premiership - what we'd gain in his 'fox in the box' abilities, we'd lose in overall team play. That, in itself, is not bad, but if we're desparate for such a player (and I'm not convinced we are), there are still better out there.

Bentner and walcott, im not so sure if its the right time for them.

Maybe not so much Bendtner (he's way down the pecking order anyway), but Walcott will definitely play a significant role next season. I am absolutely convinced of this.

Plus we need someone to take the lift off Henry's shoulders, especially if he gets injured.

Yes, we do - but the point has been all along that Kuijt probably doesn't have the quality to do this.

Do you think saviola is a better option then??

 

[asajoseph]

Not really, I don't rate Saviola much either - like I said, I don't really want another striker unless it's a player of exceptional quality.

 

[AlAmer14]

A striker might not be the priority right now, you are right but I think we definately need to strengthen the defence with Campbell and Cygan leaving, Curtis Davies and Lillian Thuram are the two defenders we're linked with, I hope we get curtis davies dont you agree?? but i just dont think he is the 'high calibre' signing that we might get

Plus a DMF hopefully, mascherano is definately an option, he might me the second 'high calibre' signing I think

 

[asajoseph]

Positionally I'd agree - Davies certainly looks like a good option, although there are a few players out there so he's not really a 'must get' for me.

I'd say that a midfielder who can defend to at least some degree, but has a solid all-round game is our highest priority, either to support or replace Gilberto.

 

[Clrnc]

tbh, i haven seen him play much and when i see him play, he didnt impress me at all. would prefer torres or klose or any other strikers we are linked with.

If you are judging Kuyt's ability from what you have seen in the world cup then I think your mighty wrong. Kuyt is proven in the dutch league and he has been scoring 20+ goals for the last three seasons. If anything he has been much more consistent then Torres in the eredivisie which is a much more competitive league physically then La Liga.

you are quite right. i judged him from the worlc cup games and only a FEW eredivise games. and in all he is only just average. i know his goalscoring record in holland is great but look at kezman. i think in holland, only if you can score 30+ goals, then you are good enough for the top leagues. i agree with asa eredivise is one of the weakest. i think of the top leagues only scotland is below.

what would u prefer lets be realistic

30 million torres very inconsisten the last two seasons finishing with less then 20 goals

10 million kuyt proven striker, finishing with AT LEAST 20 goals a season for the last three seasons

Kuyt for me

i would prefer either klose or saviola tbh. yes i won't reject him but i am not impressed by him. he could always prove me wrong though. torres i out of our reach i am sure and i think torres will be a utter waste of 30m. 20 would be good.