Granit Xhaka: Next Captain?

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Emeryates, Oct 28, 2018.

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Which best describes your opinion of Xhaka?

  1. He's not a problem at all

    13.0%
  2. Can be an important player with the right partner/set-up

    39.5%
  3. Shouldn't be relied upon, squad player

    24.2%
  4. Not good enough for Arsenal and should be sold

    23.3%
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  1. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Don't know about the Wenger/Clichy thing. Relationships are personal and can be affected by matters off the pitch.

    As for the rest of your sentiments, I broadly agree. This club had an idealistic misconception of player loyalty based on acquiring and developing players from a young age.

    Not only did we get it badly wrong by investing so much stock in FFP, we doubled down by doing so in the HG rule, think that these benevolent directives would supercede wealth and success in a sport governed by corruption and nepotism.

    It's 100% the right thing to do, but it is not the job of any authority to level the playing field. We needed to adapt and evolve our tactics, coaching and recruitment model way sooner than we did, but we were too fearful of outside intervention (which came along anyway).

    Anyhow what's done is done. Long winded way of saying I agree with you but just to reiterate your point, acceptance of mediocrity became evident as our CL performances deteriorited, and we became top 6 whipping boys. The culmination of falling outside the top 4 was inevitable.

    We still have a legacy of that mediocrity that I think you see as much as I do, and that, to me, stems from rewarding players who make the same mistakes and non-appearances season in season out. Look at Walcott now being exposed for his true level.

    I believe very much in backing everyone who throws on the jersey and gives 100% on the pitch, but there are some players in critical roles who simply aren't good enough for the level we need to reach.
     
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  2. Furious

    Furious Xhaka Propagandist

    9/9 successful long passes just this last game you criticized him. Averages 5,8 long passes this season, only bettered by Neves, who plays for long ball specialist, Wolves.

    Then you proceed to suggest Javi Martinez, feck me. Wonder now why I even bothered.
     
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  3. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    Bet you beat off to Opta stats with a mask on and the lights off? Coming out with that foolishness.
     
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  4. Furious

    Furious Xhaka Propagandist

    Great response of a defeated man.
     
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  5. Erlis

    Erlis Only Came To See Granit Xhaka

    I do agree that under Emery he has improved especially from the defensive aspect and also has higher work rate as per my observation. I do not agree though that he cannot play for a top PL team that challenges for title. I think he is one of the best midfielders in PL. According to some stats I have read on PL site he is Arsenal's top performer.
     
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  6. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    During the dissaray that was wenger last years any player would have at Times looked poor and made mistakes regardless of their skills

    That dissaray is still not really solved
     
  7. squallman

    squallman Still Pining for Wenger

    I thought we had learned our lesson. But here we are again repeating the same mistakes and this time we aren't even doing it with young players who you could excuse for making silly mistakes week after week or putting in poor performance or two. Kolasinac is 25, Mustafi and Xhaka are both 26, Mkhitaryan is 30 (I think). We're screwing up our current seasons by playing these guys, who are supposed to be in their prime and for what? Does anyone at this point still think that Mustafi is suddenly going to jump up 8 levels and become the German Sol Campbell? This is it for a vast majority of these players

    Like I said before, we're persisting with these guys through their mistakes and mediocrity at the expense of CL football, points and trophies (Carling Cup final last year) and there isn't one of them in that dressing room who would persist with us if they had a chance to progress their career and move to a bigger club for more money.

    Iwobi is too close to the first team at the moment and even someone like Welbeck who has given us a few good moments has scored too little, thrown in too many average performances and been injured too much for someone on the money that he makes. But Wenger and the fans loved him because he "put in a shift". We could have had a young up and coming talent in Welbeck's place and not missed a beat. Instead we persisted with Danny and are now going to lose him for nothing.

    I really hope things change at this club soon.
     
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  8. progman07

    progman07 Well-Known Member

    On the topic I think we do not disagree, I'd replace Xhaka as well (at least drop him to the bench as un utility player) if I were the Club and we had the money, because he is not somebody who will win us big games, he is too slow to play the game City, Liverpool and others play.

    Off topic, I think the biggest issue around 2007-2012 was that we were not prepared for injuries at all. We lost the title in 2008 because of our injuries. There were also two seasons (I think 10/11, and 13/14) where we led the league in January, but our best players got burnt out, and the replacements had to drop in.
    Our bench was, as you said, awful with squad players like Silvestre, Squilacci and Chakamh not being able to replace our first teamers. I maintain that Clichy, Walcott and Song were underrated - although not world beaters on their own, but not worse than someone like Lovren, Wijnaldum or Laporte, Danilo - because overall we played some great stuff when everyone was fit.
    Of course, we never actually had everyone fit, so we had to play dross like the above mentioned players.

    Today, unfortunately our first team is much more average than it used to be.
     
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  9. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    Why would Emery sell him when he's the player Emery trust the most ?:lol:. More likely he'll be the permanent Captain of Arsenal .
     
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  10. TheArsenalis

    TheArsenalis Well-Known Member

    Not saying your wrong. But you are over rating those other clubs players.
     
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  11. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

  12. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    How is that a mistakes solely on him and not everybody else around standing on their heels?
     
  13. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    He headed it straight to Nasri
     
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  14. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    Lost focus at crucial stage again.
     
  15. Ricardinho

    Ricardinho La Liga Correspondent

    Been as error prone as ever this season. His form has bombed since being put in the back three/suspension.
     
  16. Ricardinho

    Ricardinho La Liga Correspondent

    :lol:

    I knew you'd be defending him.

    How can you even see that as acceptable? One off maybe, bit his arsenal career is littered with these mistakes that lead to goals.
     
  17. Tourbillion

    Tourbillion Angry 24/7

    Bin him. ****, nothing player barely befitting The Championship.
     
  18. field442

    field442 Hates Journalists Named James

    He's average. A decent player who's tidy on the ball but nothing more. The next time someone puts up an xG pass map saying how "vital" he is to the way we play they can get ****ed.
     
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  19. Dennis_Bergkamp_10

    Dennis_Bergkamp_10 Well-Known Member

    Haha you are serious aren't you?
     
  20. tcahill

    tcahill Well-Known Member

    Needs to be partnered with Torreira.
     
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