Life After Emery Begins

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Aussie_gunner123, Sep 18, 2019.


Would you be satisfied with hiring Mikel Arteta?

  1. Yes, he's been my first choice from the start

  2. Yes, even though I preferred other candidate(s)

  3. No

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  1. Hleb's Sirush

    Hleb's Sirush Well-Known Member

    Incredibly he has a worse record over Emery's entire 18 months here. Emery managed us for 50 PL games and got 87 points. Pochettino got 85 points in those games.

    I still would take Pochettino over novices like Arteta or even Vieira. He is also better than the likes of Marcelino. I wouldn't however take him over proven top level managers who actually have won stuff at big clubs. He is the level below that.
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  2. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    Don't get why Arsenal fans hate him, he did a miraculous job to turn Valencia around. If he's going to Everton he'll turn them around and I can't wait to see the tears from you folks when Everton finishes above us this season.
  3. <<reed>>

    <<reed>> Meme Merchant

    Really? I need to find the thread, but I remember the overall mood was positive considering everyone was convinced we were getting iPad Mik.
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  4. clovis

    clovis Active Member

    he is a clone of Emery and Valverde. I can’t believe some arsenal fans are warming up to him. These are the same people who would he excited over Emery now had we roped in Marcelino last year
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  5. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Just fecking announce Arteta and be done with it. Getting tired of this crap now. What a fecking mess. As per usual.
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  6. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant

    Marcelino has never stayed anywhere long, managed about 10 has yclubs andet to get a big gig

    Just doesn't feel at all like someone who will come here and be a big success. We should sign someone who has been on an upward trajectory, not treading water
  7. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Well-Known Member

    We literally need a manager who has a strong philosophy. A manager who values pressing, pace and athleticism. A manager who notices the deficiencies of players above of their status.

    Arteta has been an assistant to a manager who spends 500 million on his defence. A manager who works with the highest quality players to get a team working to the level it should. We need a manager to get a team working above the level it should. We need a manager to develop our young players and be strong enough to bench the older ones. Is that Arteta? I highly doubt it.

    You also have to be aware of Rogers. He talks alot and gets alot of love from the press. But currently his two best seasons are in campaigns where each team has NO European campaign.

    Marco Rose is juggling the Europa league in a tougher group and beating Bayern. He would be my choice.
  8. Joestlaachmkr

    Joestlaachmkr Active Member

    Remember 18 months ago all these "experts" talked about either Max Allegri or Luis Enrique becoming the next Arsenal boss, while now they talk about Marcelino or Niko Kovac.....
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  9. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    He is nothing like Emery and Valverde, he's more like a Simeone clone. He doesn't believe in chameleon football and is a strong believer in 4-4-2 counter attacking football.

    What we need now isn't someone to be a "big success", what we need is someone who can fight fires and get the club back in the right direction. We are not in the position to be talking about big success cause we are a mess and it wouldn't be easy to clean us up. Marcelino has experience in cleaning up messes, see his work in Valencia.
  10. Camron

    Camron Established Member

    Ornstein's Athletic Arsenal Piece:

    Good read about Emery's struggles with the board and position in the dressing room.

    As Arsenal press ahead with the process of appointing a new permanent head coach, more detail has emerged about the departure of Unai Emery and the regard in which he was held.

    Despite a general consensus that change was necessary, on a personal level Emery was a popular figure and that is backed up by the support he received after being sacked.

    Once the news was delivered to Emery by Arsenal’s executive team, it is understood all of the first-team squad present at the club’s London Colney training ground visited the Spaniard in his office — and that included Mesut Özil, regardless of any previous differences between the pair. There were also kind messages from those not in attendance, such as the injured Dani Ceballos, and some players who left during Emery’s tenure, like Laurent Koscielny and Nacho Monreal.

    The contact from Koscielny was particularly interesting given the acrimonious nature of his exit last summer. Director Josh Kroenke — son of Arsenal’s owner Stan Kroenke — sent complimentary words of his own, as did a range of leading figures from across the football industry. Although disappointed not to be told his fate was sealed prior to what proved his final game in charge — he felt backed by Arsenal’s hierarchy even after defeat by Eintracht Frankfurt and set up training with his staff as normal the next morning — Emery is known to have valued the class shown thereafter.

    The 48 year-old will soon leave London for Valencia and has already fielded informal contact from a number of teams interested in his services, but he intends to take a reasonable amount of time to consider the next step after an almost unbroken spell in management dating back to 2004-05.

    Much of the focus around Arsenal’s sporting operation will fall on technical director Edu and The Athletic has learnt their first approach to the Brazilian was made by Emery when they bumped into one another at the FIFA Best Awards at London’s Royal Festival Hall in September 2018. Arsenal were seeking candidates with links to the club, the head coach or both, and Emery used the impromptu meeting to ask Edu — who played under him at Valencia in 2009 — if he would be interested in returning to the club where he enjoyed success as a player between 2001-05.

    The timing of Edu’s arrival meant he could only play a limited role in the transfer window and, while they appeared to come through it in good shape, at least three of Emery’s targets were missed.

    With Arsenal in contention for a top-four finish and the Europa League final — raising hopes of Champions League qualification — Emery wanted to sign Harry Maguire to bolster his defence, Atletico Madrid’s Thomas Partey to reinforce central midfield and Wilfried Zaha on the wing.

    Emery and his staff were huge admirers of Maguire’s ability to defend and play out from the back and knew Leicester would sell at the right price, but a poor end to the campaign meant Arsenal stood no chance and it was a straight fight between Manchester United and Manchester City. Partey was apparently desperate for a move to the Emirates Stadium, however a €50 million release clause in his Atletico Madrid contract was too expensive for Arsenal because they were committing the bulk of their resources to bringing in a wide player.

    Particularly impressed by his performances against Arsenal, Emery identified Zaha in the knowledge that the Crystal Palace attacker needed no time to adapt to the Premier League, but the club instead opted for Lille’s Nicolas Pepe, predominantly because of his younger age.

    There was frustration that a specialist right-back was not acquired to deputise for Hector Bellerin during his recovery from knee ligament damage and it is believed the delay in fully integrating Kieran Tierney at left-back has not only been down to a hip injury but also a shoulder problem.

    Numerous sources point out that irrespective of Emery’s faults, the enormous amount of change and issues he faced during an 18-month reign did not create an ideal environment to succeed. It featured KSE’s full takeover, CEO Ivan Gazidis moving on, Raul Sanllehi and Vinai Venkatesham assuming duel leadership, Sven Mislintat’s exit as recruitment chief, the Aaron Ramsey contract situation, major injuries to Bellerin and Rob Holding, Monchi’s u-turn, Darren Burgess being sacked as high performance director, Freddie Ljungberg replacing Steve Bould on the coaching staff, the Koscielny fall-out, losing Petr Cech and Nacho Monreal, Edu’s installation and Özil and Sead Kolasinac suffering an attempted car-jacking.

    Emery was aware that his grasp of English was becoming a source of public humour — specifically his pronunciation of ‘good evening’ — and though it did not overly bother him, he wondered whether many British people would go to Spain and try their best to speak the native language.

    His full-time replacement will be selected from a list that is being worked through by Sanllehi, Venkatesham, Edu and director of football operations Huss Fahmy. A feeling developing in the game is that Mikel Arteta now finds himself in pole position, but the likes of Mauricio Pochettino, Patrick Vieira, Carlo Ancelotti and Roberto Martinez are still being mentioned. It is expected the committee will take two or three names to the Kroenkes before a final call is made and in the meantime Arsenal have total faith in Ljungberg as interim head coach. The preference is a swift conclusion, yet not at the expense of finding the best solution, which could delay matters.

    Among the qualities being sought are top coaching skills to help Arsenal’s players fulfil their potential, firm knowledge of the Premier League and a capacity to speak good English and communicate well with the squad, staff and media.

    A year and a half into sole ownership of the Gunners, KSE via Josh Kroenke is planning to increase its presence, involvement and investment — there is no thought of scaling back or selling — and the vision it professes is to make Arsenal competitive for the biggest honours again.
  11. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    WHY?!?!?!? We would have finished top 4 last season if not for the injury of Ramsey. Common sense should have told anyone that finding a replacement for Ramsey needs to be our top priority, so why the heck did we even bother to sign a wide player in the first place?
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  12. OnlyOne

    OnlyOne Short man Syndrome

  13. Camron

    Camron Established Member

    Partey would be a dream signing. 50m is a steal for a midfielder of his qualities.
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  14. tap-in

    tap-in Nothing Wrong With Me

    Define affordable! We can all see how important a manager is so its up to the club to splash out or suffer the consequences. I despise Mourinho but I voted to go for him because he was available, now he's not. The BoD are fvcking this up big time, why would you sack your manager with no options in the system, its madness. We all knew Emery would have to go soon and they did nothing in terms of planning for the future.
  15. Preacher

    Preacher Anti-Ornstein

    I rather would have bought Partey than Pepe. Our midfield was more pressing matter.
  16. Tony's nose

    Tony's nose Well-Known Member

    Getting Maureen was dreamland stuff would never happen this is Stan Kroenke Arsenal. To much fantasy stuff mainly thought of in La La land
  17. krengon

    krengon One Arsene Wenger Trusted

    Partey would have been a dream signing ffs..

    This is why I’m not a big fan of the new setup, we didn’t go for one of the players the manager wanted.
  18. tap-in

    tap-in Nothing Wrong With Me

    I think he would have come. Anyway, we agree that the owners are a big part of the problem. Part of me is happy to see the club slide down in the hope Kroenke sells up.
  19. Aussie_gunner123

    Aussie_gunner123 Well-Known Member

    Hasn't Pep come out & said Arteta won't be going anywhere mid season though he won't stop him from going for the new season?
  20. say yes

    say yes To Sweet Soulful House Music

    He’s clearly saving up all his weekly gossip for his weekly column, “Ornstein on Monday”, at the Athletic.

    Interesting read. No mention of Marcelino or the “14 man” shortlist that has so many people with their knickers in a twist. Pochettino still in the running too.

    His column this week is probably most interesting with regard to Emery’s transfer targets though. Unai wanted Maguire (a top CB), Partey (a top CM who was apparently “desperate” to join us), a backup RB to Bellerin, and Zaha (a winger ready to deliver right away). We didn’t get any of those.

    Not getting them is partly his fault for ballsing up CL qualification at the end of the season, but it’s also a reminder of just how hard any manager is going to find it here. Going to be tricky for any manager to build their own squad given our financial situation.

    See you all next Monday.
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