People seem to be ignoring this part of your post.Arteta is 10th with a squad capable of winning the league. You see anybody can make up that nonsense to blame a manager.
People seem to be ignoring this part of your post.Arteta is 10th with a squad capable of winning the league. You see anybody can make up that nonsense to blame a manager.
You’ve learnt nothing from the history of the premier league. Just 3 rich teams have won nearly all the titles. The teams spending below that, Sp**s, Arsenal and Liverpool have won very occasionally (Liverpool once in nearly 30 years) and the rest like like Leicester once a blue moon (1 in 140 years), if at all, most never.
When you’ve studied that, get back to me, and tell me how many other teams spending 5th were able to improve on continuous top 4. I’ll wait.
Isn't that the same squad everyone was desperate to change as soon as Wenger was gone? Full of deadwood, awful recruitment, etc.Well he did until he took us out of the CL with a squad that was capable of winning the league, but you don’t want to hear anything about that
People seem to be ignoring this part of your post.
I ignored it because he believes it! He seems to conveniently discard the fact that we finished second and did actually have a squad and team capable of winning the league--a team that subsequently took us out of the CL places and was in free-fall before Wengz took the dough. All facts, all happened exactly like I said it did.People seem to be ignoring this part of your post.
It took us to second in the league behind Leicester. He was unable to keep them motivated for whatever reason after that though. It happens. But that's ultimately why he went.Isn't that the same squad everyone was desperate to change as soon as Wenger was gone? Full of deadwood, awful recruitment, etc.
I'm not getting involved here, I've already debated that with Trax about 600 times.I ignored it because he believes it! He seems to conveniently discard the fact that we finished second and did actually have a squad and team capable of winning the league--a team that subsequently took us out of the CL places and was in free-fall before Wengz took the dough. All facts, all happened exactly like I said it did.
Fair enough. That year was an anomaly though, with every big club massively underperforming and LCFC having a literal once in a lifetime season.It took us to second in the league behind Leicester. He was unable to keep them motivated for whatever reason after that though. It happens. But that's ultimately why he went.
Fair enough. That year was an anomaly though, with every big club massively underperforming and LCFC having a literal once in a lifetime season.
I edited my post to clarify I think the squad was capable of top four, and has been since Wenger left as well.
Are you still here HairSpray? You have become awful quiet? Just seeing if you're still alive.He Will finish above 8th i know that much.
Emery came one point away from fourth and it was seen as underachieving (and it was given the way we threw points away in the run-in). That team made the EL final that same season. And as many people keep saying, we are playing top four ball right now over the past few months.Our defence and midfield has not been at a level to expect finishing above Ciry, Liverpool, United. That leaves us shooting for fourth spot only, and again our defence and midfield was not in any shape really to compete with Chelsea, Spuds, and even Leicester.
This season we are starting to see a better level with our CB’s, with Gabriel and Mari as additions. Our full backs have been pretty weak also, Tierney injured most of last season and starting to play more this season, while hard to see Bellerin as top 4 right now. Our CM depth is horrendous and Partey has been out most of this season, like Tierney last season.
The only way to argue with this as I see it is to make out more from Torreira and Guendouzi, probably also utilisation of AMN, but that is all a stretch. Torreira showed promising signs early on but never really came back after injury issues, and I’m not convinced his failings can be blamed on management. More deep-lying in Italy but not physically up for it in the PL, while being a bit like Dani in general when tried further up the pitch.
Emery came one point away from fourth and it was seen as underachieving (and it was given the way we threw points away in the run-in). That team made the EL final that same season. And as many people keep saying, we are playing top four ball right now over the past few months.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see what point you are trying to make. If a team comes 5th by one point and drops as many as we did in that run-in, it is good enough for fourth. The following season was largely the same team, and Emery was fired for having them mid-table around xmas. I don't agree the players are/were as bad as you say, they were underperforming under Emery and under Arteta up until recently.That first season with Emery we had some good stuff from Torreira and Mustafi was not too bad. Still, you are not looking at it analytically. “Par for the course” is level expected. Either side of that is underachieving or overachieving.
I’ve pointed out our defence and midfield has been in no shape to expect Top 4 as par for the course compared with the competition, and in return you haven’t responded to the points made. Yes, this season we are getting there finally, probably still two pieces short at least, but that doesn’t account for big space of tine you are saying we were Too 4 quality all along.
@grange and @Red London only read the first half of posts, bizarrePeople seem to be ignoring this part of your post.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see what point you are trying to make. If a team comes 5th by one point and drops as many as we did in that run-in, it is good enough for fourth. The following season was largely the same team, and Emery was fired for having them mid-table around xmas. I don't agree the players are/were as bad as you say, they were underperforming under Emery and under Arteta up until recently.
Yeah, lots of teams over perform their spend position, not many manage it for 20 years though. And then imagine if people said that's not good enough he should be able win the league so lets force him out. The danger is you might then get managers that can't over perform their spend position at all. Wait . .I've learnt that if Leciester can win the league and be in the top 4-6 then a team with the size, wage bill and spend that Arsenal has with the right manager should be able to overperform its "spending". I'm not saying under Wenger we should have been winning the league every year. But that year Leicester won it we should. And we failed. Other years we were never ever close. Miles off. Thats not competitive thats hanging on to top 4. Hoping no one below improves.
Other teams are able to overperform their spend. West Ham are doing it. Leciester the same. Sheffield United last season.
Ultimately we were not going forward under Wenger and stevie wonder could have seen that. And if in football or any competitive industry you are not moving forward or actively trying to improve (not celebrating top 4 like a trophey) there needs to be a change.
Its this acceptance for mediocrity that has Arsenal as this now wishy washy club. Just existing no pressure to win.
I've seen people accepting that we can finish 10th this year just because, well there was CV, and Partey was injured or Mikel is learning etc.
10th for Arsenal football club is an embarrassment.
Reading the entirety of your posts would mean I have no spare time@grange and @Red London only read the first half of posts, bizarre
It's not a team capable of winning the league just because you say so. And weren't you spitting feathers at the start of that year because Arsène didn't spend money upgrading that squad. And wasn't half the forum calling the centre forward a donkey.I ignored it because he believes it! He seems to conveniently discard the fact that we finished second and did actually have a squad and team capable of winning the league--a team that subsequently took us out of the CL places and was in free-fall before Wengz took the dough. All facts, all happened exactly like I said it did.
The points and performances don't lie. We were capable irrespective of whether we inexplicably didn't strengthen. How does that change anything?It's not a team capable of winning the league just because you say so. And weren't you spitting feathers at the start of that year because Arsène didn't spend money upgrading that squad. And wasn't half the forum calling the centre forward a donkey.
It just suits your narrative to say it was a team capable of winning the league because Arsène upset all his detractors when he came 2nd, so that's all they had left to whack him over the head with, never mind all his injuries, particularly losing his best player in November.