Unai Emery: Adios

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Mo Britain, Oct 17, 2018.

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  1. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    I loved his interview where he basically said his players don't deserve anything for giving it their all and running a lot because that's the bare minimum he expects. Great mentality. But like you said because he's a British manager from the North he won't get the hype and praise he deserves or be offered any of the top jobs.
     
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  2. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter YNWA Trusted

    Exactly, aside from how astute tactically he is I think a massive reason for his success is that he hates being an underdog. Always focused on getting to that next level.
     
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  3. Trilly

    Trilly The John Cross of Ilford

    Constant?
     
  4. Trilly

    Trilly The John Cross of Ilford

    Is this the guy that does the overlapping CB's? Anyone who does that is a legend in my eyes.
     
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  5. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Not Denying this but curious as to the reason..
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2019
  6. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter YNWA Trusted

    Yeah he’s better than just that though, every club he’s been at he’s looked to innovate in some way.

    Also he’s taken over some absolute banter situations and almost immediately had them competing for promotions, Northampton and Sheffield Utd especially.
     
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  7. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Well-Known Member

    2 out of 3. Small sample size, but to me that is a pretty high rate.
     
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  8. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted

    Overlapping CBs?
     
  9. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    Ngl I'm pretty sure when Monreal played as LCB in a back 3 he still overlapped at times. I definitely remember him doing it a few times and I thought it was pretty funny, well funny and I was also thinking we'd be ****ed if the opposition won the ball and broke quickly.

    Actually if I recall correctly Mustafi tried doing it when we were losing 1-0 to Stoke a couple of years ago, he overlapped had the ball in a crossing position and well.... I'm sure you can all imagine what happened when he attempted the cross. I still remember it because I almost smashed a plate as a result.
     
  10. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    Got pocketed against Pool .
     
  11. samshere

    samshere Why so serieuse?

    Agree, at the moment Guendouzi > Ceballos
     
  12. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    Didn't do much when he came on vs Newcastle, or I might have to whisper it, but he didn't a great deal in the NLD either. I mean he had a good shot but that's all I can really remember, at times I thought he was holding onto the ball too long instead of either passing it or just driving into the space ahead of him.

    I expect big things from him but he's not done much yet. Let's just relax a bit here.
     
  13. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    In the last 20 mins with Sp**s having parked their mopeds in front of goal we needed a certain bloke who tends to drop in to half pockets of space .
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2019
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  14. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    He does tend to do well against small teams that sit back and just defend. ;)
     
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  15. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter YNWA Trusted

    Yeah he plays a back 3 and rotates the CB’s past midfielders who’ll drop back in so he can in theory get support to wing backs untracked from midfield.

    It’s similar to a degree to the Conte 16/17 system, he’ll vary the tactics depending on players available to him though.
     
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  16. Trilly

    Trilly The John Cross of Ilford

    You said that he was having constant MOTM performances but got dropped, meaning you were referring to the two games before the Sp**s one.

    One MOTM performance and another where he was the worst on the pitch. This is an example of what I think is unfair criticism of the manager.
     
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  17. Hleb's Sirush

    Hleb's Sirush Well-Known Member

    "Squad with quality and options"

    Until about a month ago we had the worst squad of the big six. This summer window we have addressed that. We are 4 games into the new season and still he hasn't even had the chance to field anywhere near our strongest line up.

    "Played a full strength team in the EL"

    In the earlier rounds it was a mixture of squad players, some youngsters and a few first 11 players. El Neny, Lichtsteiner and welbeck were ever present in the group stage. Willock, Nketiah and ESR all started atleast 2 games each, with a few sub appearances too. Saka had 1 start. Ffs even Jenkinson started 2 games, no way you can call that a full strength team. Of course in the latter stages it was a full strength team when it needed to be.

    "Sent us out to get pummelled and play on the break"

    Are you confusing us with Sp**s? Because that was exactly how they played.

    As for Mhki, he shouldn't have brought him on. I can see why he did though. Apparently Willock wasn't 100% and Özil isn't even close to match fitness. Mhki is a very hot and cold player, it wasn't beyond the realms of possibilities that he could pop up with an assist or a goal, plus he gives you the added defensive protection against Sp**s' counter attacking threat to help Kola. Perhaps Emery thought he could repeat his performance last time we played Sp**s, when he was the best player on the pitch. Unfortunately Nelson in the minutes he was given so far showed he is still not ready.

    As it turned out, Mhki was hopeless, he produced a travesty of a performance. We were probably better off playing with 10 men.
     
  18. BigPoppaPump

    BigPoppaPump Laca Respect for Alexandre

    Tbf he was playing on the wing against the most dangers wingers and fullbacks in the league.
     
  19. Hleb's Sirush

    Hleb's Sirush Well-Known Member

    I'm intrigued to see how we develop as a team during the course of the season. how Emery's tactics work out once we have a near full strength team, especially when he gets to field proper fullbacks. My own view is that Emery will succeed here. That doesn't mean I won't criticise him or blindly support everything he does. I will criticise him when I feel it is warranted. I will give him a fair chance before jumping on his back.

    The main issue I have with the Emery out camp is that they go to great lenghts to discredit Emery. Anything good that happens on or off the pitch is someone else's doing. All the bad stuff is exclusively Emery's doing. He is portrayed as a bumbling fool, who no player or manager respects. Who the board have on a very short leash, employing people to babysit him so he doesn't wreak havoc with his sheer incompetence.

    Some of the criticism has even been future-proofed. If he doesn't play some of the youngsters, he gets crucified. If he does play more of them from now on, he won't get any credit for it because we keep getting told Ljungberg will be forcing him to play them.

    If we play well, it will be the players doing it all by themselves. If we lose, it is because he set us up to fail. If a player improves a lot (like Douzi), it has nothing to do with the manager, however if a player is not performing well, it will be said Emery isn't getting the best out of him or playing him in the wrong position. The guy literally can't win whatever he does.

    Anyway. Watford is his next test. I like to see us put in a commanding display and win comfortably away from home for once. Not getting my hopes up though.
     
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  20. drippin

    drippin Well-Known Member

    Well said, that's just how it works for some people. I think he will succeed too, and will criticize him when appropriate.

    Many of our players seem to compliment Emery, youth too. I think they wouldn't like to do so if they don't really mean it. It's called lying.

    It's a bit funny that if our rivals best players score, it's their managers doing. But if our best players score, it's just them using their skills with some luck.

    I really want to see what Emery can do with some proper leftbacks & CB's, who play together a while. Midfield who has played more together will be interesting too. Willock & Ceballos are both just coming into the team. I still hope Özil can contribute something and leave his injuries and depression or something behind.
     
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