GDeep™
League is very weak
Guessing Real will push for Potchetino this summer, after they sack Zidane.
Be a gutsy thing to do, to give the job to Arteta. An unknown quantity.If Arteta came here, I’ll guess he brings in an experienced mainly Spanish coaching set up with him. So, he’ll have a team to help him.
Maybe you are right to some extent. But i dont see Arteta as a very exciting type of person either. Rather calm and boring.Typical us would be a Carlo Ancelotti, Low or Blanc. Average dinosaur type managers who’ll come in and take over from where Wenger left over. These guys barely have a heartbeat either.
Arteta is the opposite of how we operate now, he’s a young, dynamic but risky option. He’s the unknown.
They won't bring in Simeone, they'll want an attacking manager.Maybe you are right to some extent. But i dont see Arteta as a very exciting type of person either. Rather calm and boring.
I dont see us changing direction with him.
I want a Simone type manager. Someone with the experience to know how he want us to play and what players to get to get us there. Yes i know Simone is unrealistic, its just the easiest example.
Yea i know Simone would never be on the radar, just an example of a coach who knows exactly what he wants and how to get it.They won't bring in Simeone, they'll want an attacking manager.
Arsenal definitely need an evolution rather than a revolution - Ancelotti and the like are "transitional". They will do a decent job for a couple years, maybe even win us a couple trophies, but they'll f*ck off after a few years.
Arteta wouldn't necessarily be my choice, but someone who's relatively new, fresh and avant-garde is the kind of approach we should be looking at.
Id take Hasenhuttl to! He can bring Forsberg with him ; )I’d say Hasenhuttl is a massive favourite currently.
Just makes so much sense, ticks every box near enough.
Just looked him up there. He's doing very well but I'm a little skeptical of a manager who's; a. new to the top level, b. hasn't managed a big side and c. only managed in one league (not England). This is a very quick look at him though, I've never actually watched any of his sides play.I’d say Hasenhuttl is a massive favourite currently.
Just makes so much sense, ticks every box near enough.
Totally agree with this. Favre would be my favourite. A fan of quick attacking, attractive football. A bit stubborn too. Would love it if he came.Problem is, managers at big clubs are already at big clubs, and if they don't fail miserably or the job is an ejection seat, they will stay. E.g. Allegri, Simeone, Guardiola, Conte...
Guys who have done rather good at big clubs but are no longer are problematic for other reasons. E.g. with Real and Barca's squads, as well as PSG's in relation to the rest of Ligue 1, it's hard to properly judge Luis Enrique, Blanc, Valverde, even Zidane and recent Ancelotti.
Both of these categories are either unattainable or I'd be wary of their true or recent level.
Then there's the managers who are at "upper table clubs", but not the absolute top. And the thing with these guys is, can they take the step up or not? Moyes, Emery, Montella, R. Garcia, Bosz are all examples that prove there are guys who do a good job at a certain decent level, but not beyond. Tuchel and Klopp being two examples who were able to take that step up. Stöger is right now at the test.
We also got managers at fairly small clubs doing good to great jobs, but for them it's even more steps up to the top clubs. With these guys, I have a feeling they're operating under very specific circumstances in which they flourish, but would massively struggle in a different club setup. E.g. Howe, Dyche, Wagner, Streich. I'd absolutely refrain from hiring one of these.
I'd refrain from very young managers, too. That rules our Arteta for me. They're just too unproven in too many situations (success, crisis,long time player recruiting, etc) and over longer periods of time. Even if they're having their teams play at a decent level - keep in mind it's a very short timeframe, maybe 1 to 2 years in the topflight only. I think 3/4 of these young promising guys, or even more, won't make the cut. England is very conservative in hiring managers, Germany very progressive. There's 5 to 10 young, promising, exciting managers getting promoted or hired every year, but most don't make the cut even for a season. Right now there's 3 (Nagelsmann, Wolf, Baum) who have survived for more than one season.
So we're basically left with the category of coaches at good, upper table clubs, who've not yet trained top clubs. Favre, Jardim, Marcelino, Hasenhüttl to a degree, Pocchettino is in theere but he's at Sp**s.
I feel of those Favre and Jardim have the highest likeliness to succeed at Arsenal, because of their age, longitude of their stints, international experience, experience with CL and EL, and cause they have already managed different clubs.
Totally agree with this. Favre would be my favourite. A fan of quick attacking, attractive football. A bit stubborn too. Would love it if he came.
But he's a big mate of Wenger. You reckon he'd take his job?
Makes a lot of sense when you put it like that.Thanks. While writing this, and thinking about longitude, experience and so on, I found myself agreeing with you on Wenger's outstanding performances in correlation to the duration of his stint at Arsenal with the environment drastically changing small and big factors all the time.
I'm though still not following the squadcost thing too much, and probably think it's over for Wenger by now.
Wenger's contract runs out in 2019, and guess whose contract, too? Favre's at Nice.
Concerning Wenger stepping down at the end of this season, why not hand your pal the steering wheel? I'd personally rather have a friend and someone who thinks a lot like me take over my life's project, than some random guy.
Another big factor in favour of Favre might be that most of the guys with Bundesliga history will know him as one of the better/best performing managers of the last decade over a long period of time in Germany. That's a lot more respect commanding than saving Hoffenheim from relegation.
No we don't we're in a position where we can attract most established managers, why get an unknown entity.I think we should go for Arteta. What if he goes somewhere else and does superb and therefore we miss the boat?
We need to take risks.
No we don't we're in a position where we can attract most established managers, why get an unknown entity.
Arteta could become a top manager, in the same way that Bould, Henry, Bergkamp and several other upcoming coaches could. I'm willing to take the risk of passing on it for now though. The likelihood at this point is that he's probably not fit to manage any team, never mind Arsenal. He's been coaching for 18 months, it's weird that this is even a discussion.
Guardiola managed their B team beforehand though. Zidane did the same at Real Madrid.Guardiola managed Barcelona in his first job as a manager. Look how successful he turned out.
Arteta is of similar ilk. Smart Spanish footballer with bags of EPL experience as a bonus.
Guardiola managed their B team beforehand though. Zidane did the same at Real Madrid.
A few problems here, firstly I don't see how you can assume that Arteta will follow a similar trajectory just because he is also Spanish/Catalan background with EPL experience.For 1 year.
I think that can be offset by his experience this season at City. He also knows our team well.