2 Ramsey Questions

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by sabret00the, May 3, 2011.

  1. fabo

    fabo 6.51 / 10

    Ramsey as back-up to Jack/Cesc, I'd give him another start or two before the season is out but I'm not sure Stoke is the place to do that. If Cesc is fit we definitely need him for that one, last year we wouldn't have beaten 10 man Stoke without him.

    We still need to buy another defensively capable CM mind you, someone to compete with Song and give us some experience in that area of the field.
     
  2. alboots101

    alboots101 Well-Known Member

    Sometimes you just have to get back on the bike...play him against these ****s.
     
  3. banduan

    banduan New Member

    Rotate Ramsey, Jack and Cesc. Each are fairly different versions of pretty much the same role.

    edit: btw, Ramsey is still capable of producing a prodiguous amount of hospital balls, so he still has a lot of improving to do.
     
  4. Armor for Sleep

    Armor for Sleep New Member Elite

    Ideally he'll still be a squad player next season but should get loads of games - filling in for Jack or Cesc when injuries arise or at the very least rotating regularly.

    We're too keen to play our best players in every game. Hopefully having quality depth like Ramsey will mean we don't burnout in February or March.
     
  5. DJ_Markstar

    DJ_Markstar Well-Known Member

    I've already got an avatar bet with Ebouesleftnut on this exact subject :D
     
  6. CandysRoom

    CandysRoom New Member Trusted

    Only way he'll cut this out is experience through game time.
     
  7. Martens

    Martens New Member

    What happened to Frimpong? I read somewhere that he's recovered? Could he feature at all this season?
     
  8. outlaw_member

    outlaw_member New Member

    No, unless Fabregas is mentally or physically unfit to play.

    No, not until a few years down the line when Wilshere and Ramsey can realistically be expected to act as our creative hub for the length of an entire season. Until then, we'd need to replace Fabregas with a player from outside the club, if he leaves this summer.
     
  9. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    Agree with this neither are at that level if Fabregas leaves we would need to replace him with someone from outside .
     
  10. Problem is - I can't think of anyone from outside who can do the Fabregas job well. We'll have to look at different means to compensate for the huge loss in creativity and assertive and pinpoint passing from centre of midfield.
     
  11. Armor for Sleep

    Armor for Sleep New Member Elite

    If Cesc leaves, i wouldn't look for a technical midfielder at all. I'd bring in 2 players:

    1. A box to box CM/DM
    2. A top class attacker

    I'd play Song as holding midfielder, Wilshere and Nasri as CM's. Ramsey and new CM as cover with the option of playing Nasri in the front 3.
     
  12. redwhiteAustrian

    redwhiteAustrian Tu Felix Austria Administrator

    1.) Yes, if Fabs isn't fit / won't be playing for us due to other reasons.

    2.) This question is imo difficult to answer, because there're other questions coming with that as well, mainly:
    Do we need a 1:1 replacement for Fabs, once he's left us?
    I don't think so.

    I don't want us to be too reliant on the creativity of one certain player, I don't want us to be too reliant on the fitness of one player, and I don't want us to be too predictable in our play, because of the over-reliance on one certain player.

    With Ramsey alongside Jack, those "duties" are imo better shared between each other, none of both is some sort of restricted in his game due to the quality of a world class player like Fabs alongside him.

    So basically, I don't see Ramsey himself as a Fabs replacement, but the combination of Ramsey and Jack.
    Of course, I've only seen one game with both playing, but imo the chemistry looks right and the whole midfield was perfectly balanced in that game.

    No question, that that's possible with Fabs playing either (re balance), but not in his current role.
     
  13. Ricky_AFC

    Ricky_AFC New Member

    I can't think of many outside the club, certainly not any who are going to be easy to sign, who could come in to do take Cesc's place if he leaves. I think Nasri is probably the best option available to fill those boots, so if it comes to I'd want him moved in centrally and us to purchase a quality winger in his place.

    I don't think Ramsey would be ready to fill Cesc's void next season should he leave, but as someone said earlier he could take the Diaby/Denilson game time which will be plenty of game time and actually give us someone quality backup.
     
  14. AnthonyG

    AnthonyG Arse Emeritus Administrator

    Would work well in my opinion.
     
  15. Y va marquer

    Y va marquer New Member Elite

    It would be a step backwards for the team if Cesc were to leave this summer.
    He's not been at his best this season but even so he was still central to some of our best performances in the January and February period.

    Jack and Ramsey looked good on Sunday but that United midfield was below par and tired (not that their midfield is all that great even on a good day).

    It's too much too soon to expect them to replace Cesc on a permanent basis.
     
  16. Shue

    Shue New Member Elite

    Agreed, would be a thing of beauty.
     
  17. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    You'll never see that midfield; I'll tell you now that it would be too lightweight and Wenger will never try playing that midfield.
     
  18. If all three are fit, I can see us trying that midfield out when we are chasing games against lesser teams. That would be a good beginning and a good test of whether these three can work together.
     
  19. There is light

    There is light New Member

    This midfield will have perfect balance, it will no doubt be a thing of beauty but remains to be seen if that happens, wenger will persist with one of song/diaby and rotate ramsey/wilshere. Cesc starts when he isn't injured and we should buy a good central attacking midfielder who can replace cesc when needed i.e. a replacement for rosicky.
     
  20. DK Gooner

    DK Gooner New Member

    It would be great to try all 3 as I have been an advocate of better "passing" footballers in our midfield trio rather than sacrificing one to accomodate a DM - Song is OK but against good teams he can easily be by-passed so IMO he he should be back-up if that tactic is not effective in a particular game. While I have no doubt about their ability, the dynamic with the rest of the team needs to fit. At the moment Clichy and Sagna are not providing the required thrust from the flanks, and the movement of our front 3 often leaves the middle cramped rather than creating space for our midfield schemers to exploit.
     

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