Fabio Vieira: The Portuguese Project

[TH14shahriar]

Patino is another player who will struggle at top football because of lack of athleticism

Agreed, I don't deny the talent, it's there, but you can break the kid in half using your fingers, and he doesn't have speed either.

 

[TH14shahriar]

Reading this forum after a tough game for an individual is disappointing sometimes.

You need to be able to criticize a player that had a really bad game of football and at times looked like he was hiding, Lokonga style.

 

[Macho]

You need to be able to criticize a player that had a really bad game of football and at times looked like he was hiding, Lokonga style.

Criticism is fine but I just see hyperbole and people missing very obvious details.

 

[Tell.]

Reading this forum after a tough game for an individual is disappointing sometimes.

It’s a catch 22 because it’s either buy these players now and go through matches and reactions like these, or let them go to Brighton and play 100m for them.

I don't really blame any of our squad players for bad performances. Arteta leaves them in the cold for 10+ games, what do we expect.

 

[benjamin86]

Guys, stop comparing Vieira to Ødegaard........... Ødegaard deserves far more respect than that. He had issues in his early Arsenal career but even when he was playing poorly no one could question his elite football intelligence and decision making.

The player Vieira should be compared to is Pepe cause the same lack of football IQ and ability to make good decisions is blatant. We already know when we signed him that Vieira will struggle physically for a player of his size, but no one expected him to have so limited a football IQ. And he is 22 years old, 23 in 2 months, so he is rapidly reaching past the point where he use his age as excuse for being "raw". If a player of his size can't provide elite playmaking ability or limitless workrate then I am not sure what exactly he provides on the pitch.

He's a year older than Saka and has 10,000 less minutes played, which might be the reason he's a bit raw...

 

[Xln]

You need to be able to criticize a player that had a really bad game of football and at times looked like he was hiding, Lokonga style.

Being able to criticize is 1 thing but throwing abuse directly at him, on social media, is something else.

 

[Rasmi]

Being able to criticize is 1 thing but throwing abuse directly at him, on social media, is something else.

No one here has done it. But there is agreement he is not good enough. If not sell him in the summer loan him out like lokonga

 

[TH14shahriar]

Being able to criticize is 1 thing but throwing abuse directly at him, on social media, is something else.

Fair enough, that's not ok

 

[Xln]

No one here has done it. But there is agreement he is not good enough. If not sell him in the summer loan him out like lokonga

Oh yeah he isn't good enough at the moment that's right, defo needs a loan.

Were our fans at the stadium booing him when he got subbed or was it the sporting fans?

 

[scytheavatar]

Reading this forum after a tough game for an individual is disappointing sometimes.

It’s a catch 22 because it’s either buy these players now and go through matches and reactions like these, or let them go to Brighton and play 100m for them.

Wenger himself said it, you pay for the education of these young players with points. Or in this case potential trophies. The question though is has Vieira shown enough to make us believe he is worth those sacrifices? Ødegaard of course had dodgy performances in his loan spells with us but also great performances, so no one can say he showed nothing for us to justify making a permanent move for us.

 

[GDeep™]

No one here has done it. But there is agreement he is not good enough. If not sell him in the summer loan him out like lokonga

Sell him after 15 games? This isn’t a computer game. He was signed as a project. I’m sure the club have totally belief in him as a project.

 

[GDeep™]

Oh yeah he isn't good enough at the moment that's right, defo needs a loan.

Were our fans at the stadium booing him when he got subbed or was it the sporting fans?

Probably Sporting. Have never seen or heard Arsenal fans boo our own kids.

 

[Rasmi]

Sell him after 15 games? This isn’t a computer game. He was signed as a project. I’m sure the club have totally belief in him as a project.

You do know not every project works out. It’s a gamble and I really doubt the club thought even after 9 months he would be so off physically. If they really believe in his talent then loan him out and let him get a full season under his belt

 

[Gooner Zig]

Guys, stop comparing Vieira to Ødegaard........... Ødegaard deserves far more respect than that. He had issues in his early Arsenal career but even when he was playing poorly no one could question his elite football intelligence and decision making.

The player Vieira should be compared to is Pepe cause the same lack of football IQ and ability to make good decisions is blatant. We already know when we signed him that Vieira will struggle physically for a player of his size, but no one expected him to have so limited a football IQ. And he is 22 years old, 23 in 2 months, so he is rapidly reaching past the point where he use his age as excuse for being "raw". If a player of his size can't provide elite playmaking ability or limitless workrate then I am not sure what exactly he provides on the pitch.

It's not comparing Vieira to Ødegaard per se, it's about Vieira looking at Ødegaard as the level he needs to reach to be successful at this club.

 

[BigPoppaPump]

It wasn’t even a big call, this is a kid out of Portugal with little or no football, England is going to take him years in terms of adapting.

He really should’ve stayed in Portugal really, we’d see if he ever becomes that 60m+ player that always comes out that league. Needs to play regularly.

 

[Gooner Zig]

He really should’ve stayed in Portugal really, we’d see if he ever becomes that 60m+ player that always comes out that league. Needs to play regularly.

In hindsight, we should have loaned him back to Porto and let him develop there for another season. Unfortunately the lack of attacking options meant that we had to have him here as an option.

 

[Gooner Zig]

Oh yeah he isn't good enough at the moment that's right, defo needs a loan.

Were our fans at the stadium booing him when he got subbed or was it the sporting fans?

It was the Sporting fans, he was getting booed by them every time he touched the ball.

 

[Jack badmon]

Oh yeah he isn't good enough at the moment that's right, defo needs a loan.

Were our fans at the stadium booing him when he got subbed or was it the sporting fans?

Man I desperately wanted to boo him. He was atrocious. I am more vexed today then I was last night at the game.

 

[TinFish]

He is a massive project which is why I balk at the price we signed him for. ]

He will not leave on loan as he will want to remain bum chums with his pal Martinelli. He is a quiet, socially awkward skinny kid.

 

[North5]

Patino is another player who will struggle at top football because of lack of athleticism

Charlie is filling out his frame. He's strong now. He's also not unforgivably slow either for his position. He's a lot younger too.