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Fabianski effect
I here you about GK's looking better with more saves but it's his physical decline along with the personal errors. He also looks nervous and shaky at times and has actually played us in to trouble or gifted possession from a goal kick. If he faced more shots,his stats would be worse imo as I don't think he's capable of intense shot stopping. I just don't think he has the all round package anymore and I suspect the brain injury plays a part in some of his decline.It's easier to look better she you are facing more shots. A top level keeper is not tested as much and rely on concentration. If Cech moved to a team below us he would be a stand out. His stats (and I don't like to many stats) were good this season. I feel he has more years left in him. If Roma sell their keeper I could see them making a move for him. Or a similar club.
Cech isn't an idiot. He knows we wont be spending 20 odd million on a keeper for him not to first choice. Its only a matter of when. Now he may or may not be up for the battle but he won't be staying to just mentor someone as people keep saying.
Can't believe people still rate Cech, he's never been top bracket with us and he's pretty much cemented his place as one of the worst keepers in the league with his form over the last couple of year's.
This argument that he "will be better facing more shots" is probably even more ridiculous, I mean think about what you are actually arguing. his greatest strength should be concentration at his age yet he's even found wanting there.
Some brilliant stats there. I'm not sure how people can't see there is a top keeper in there. He is. This season was a poor season for everyone. The worst in Arsenes time at the club. And naturally for a keeper who has insanely high standards and slip up will look bad. The penalty record and him going for 200 clean sheets just magnified everything.Alright, first of all, Petr Cech won the Premier League Golden Glove in his first season with Arsenal. He was rated as the 6th best goalkeeper in the entire world for the 2015-16 season. If that's not "top bracket," I don't know what is. He was nearly as good in 2016-17.
Here are the PL goalkeeper rankings for Cech's first season at Arsenal.
Here are Cech's 3 seasons at Arsenal. You can see that his 2nd season was actually very similar to his Golden Glove winning 1st season, even if Courtois nicked him to the award.
By the way, he was statistically about the 5th or 6th best goalkeeper in the Premier League this past year (I don't have the list in front of me) -- not the worst, as you claim. His stats were down for him, but they were still better than most of the keepers in the league. He made a few more errors than usual.
Some brilliant stats there. I'm not sure how people can't see there is a top keeper in there. He is. This season was a poor season for everyone. The worst in Arsenes time at the club. And naturally for a keeper who has insanely high standards and slip up will look bad. The penalty record and him going for 200 clean sheets just magnified everything.
But here is a reminder just how good Cech has been
Sorry, but you can't be serious?
Appreciate the effort going into the stats but the first lot are totally useless - especially if they rated Cech as the 5th or 6th best in the world and probably even more of a joke, 5th or 6th best in the prem this season.
The second lot aren't much better - save percentage, error percentage forget it - all you have to do is actually watch our goals conceded to see he's not good enough let alone full 90 minute games.
@Slartibartfast
Firstly, forget 3 years ago, we are talking about a keeper for next season. Cech was obviously a top keeper earlier in his career.
I actually said he was never top bracket, not that he "sucked". He was reliable the first season, nowhere near his early Chelsea level. The stats you posted were nonsense - performance rating...
I said go back and look at the goals conceded to actually see how far he has slipped - not that all goals are the fault of the keeper.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching you own this thread.So now you're changing the subject? And contradicting yourself. If you want to forget three years ago, why do you keep arguing he wasn't that good three years ago? Forget the stats. Forget the performance rating. He won the frickin' Golden Glove. Even by the standard you set yourself -- goals conceded -- he was the best goalkeeper in the league that season. Far more than just "reliable." And that's the season we were talking about because you brought up his work in previous seasons. Also, you never said anything about comparing goals conceded between 2015-16 and 2017-18. You said to look at goals conceded rather than the statistics for the three seasons I posted. Once again, you're trying to move the goalpost. You weren't even speaking of this past season alone when you called him "one of the worst keepers in the league" because you said over the past couple of seasons. He was actually very good in 2016-17 as well.
Now, I suggest you let this drop before you further embarrass yourself.
Cech has been one of the worst keepers in the league since he joined us, I thought this was the consensus. Seems it isn't which I find quite strange. In retrospect I'd swap Cech for most PL keepers, not just now, back when he joined as well.
Yes, we were reminded of this a few posts ago as well. Doesn't change anything, unless we want to rewrite history. I think all of us were Arsenal fans back then and we watched a lot of Arsenal, so we had an opinion at the time, regardless of the Golden Glove. Let's just agree to disagree.
Good lord man. So where the hell is your argument? "yes he has won golden glove, yes his statistics were great but he is a crap goalie nevertheless".
That's like saying the best scorer in the League is a crap striker. You're just disagreeing with hard facts. Flat earther.
Let's agree you disagree with science.
Forum is getting worse and worse.That Mo Salah is such a crap player. Sure, he scored 32 goals in the league this year, but those of us who watched him know how terrible he was.