Sammy1887
New Year, Same Hate For Reed
Yet the fans still want 60+ mill for him!Every Leicester fan issaying he’s inconsistent, injury prone, and dispensable to them.
Yet the fans still want 60+ mill for him!Every Leicester fan issaying he’s inconsistent, injury prone, and dispensable to them.
Yeah I would also want 60m for Elneny. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be stupid for another club to pay that.Yet the fans still want 60+ mill for him!
I watch 90 mins match regularly. But when I claim a player is good/not good enough here, I need evidence to prove my point. So a 90 mins match analysis is a good visual way, to prove to you that he is actually a good/not good enough player. However, firstly, I can’t find 90 mins match to post it here, if I could find that on the internet, I will, and I will post it here to show the analysis of the tactics/players. And secondly, even if I could find one, will you actually watch the whole 90 mins? No. That’s why I have posted YouTube videos here.Good to see everyone bodying that Football Manager guy. The guy never watched anything other then YouTube compilations & copy pastes his own pointless essays as if they were gospel
Imagine rating Xhaka & calling Gerrard, Lampard forward going defenders
Then you're reading it wrong. Granted Bruno only signed for United in January over the whole season they only scored one more goal the season before. It was the decrease in goals conceded that made the difference (remember the old saying goals win games defences win championships). Both made an impact. Bruno, the offensive player, made the headlines but the underlying numbers defensively meant United no longer needed to score 2, 3 or 4 to win games they just needed 1 goal to win. Hence the saying forwards win games defences win championships.I noticed you'd proved my point with the Maguire Bruno comparison
Then you're reading it wrong. Granted Bruno only signed for United in January over the whole season they only scored one more goal the season before. It was the decrease in goals conceded that made the difference (remember the old saying goals win games defences win championships). Both made an impact. Bruno, the offensive player, made the headlines but the underlying numbers defensively meant United no longer needed to score 2, 3 or 4 to win games they just needed 1 goal to win. Hence the saying forwards win games defences win championships.
Stat | Pre-Fernandes | Post Fernandes |
Played | 24 | 9 |
Wins | 9 | 6 |
Win % | 37.5% | 66.7% |
Draws | 7 | 3 |
Losses | 8 | 0 |
Points | 34 | 21 |
Points Per Game | 1.41 | 2.33 |
Stat | Pre-Fernandes | Post Fernandes |
Played | 24 | 9 |
Goals For | 36 | 20 |
Goals Against | 29 | 4 |
Goal Difference | +7 | +16 |
Goals Per Game | 1.5 | 2.22 |
Exactly, if we were looking at £60m for Ødegaard that would be a big risk as well and questions would be asked. For the same price I would just about be in favour of Maddison I think, just because he's more proven in the league. Think if we get him Ode will be less though, maybe £45m.I rate Maddison, I'd just be concerned about the numbers as we would be if we spent that same money on Ødegaard. Of the two, I'd much prefer Maddison if I'm honest, as talented as Ødegaard is IMO. It's a gamble but a far safer one IMO.
That's a really good point actually. The Bruno Maguire comparison is far more apt.
With Maguire and without Bruno United were taking 1.41 points per game, on track for 53ish points and a lower finish than the season before.
Once Bruno joined it was 2.33 points per game which saw them finish top 4.
He has had a transformational impact and in many people's opinion saved OGS' job.
One was PL proven, Home grown and cost £80m. Goals conceded dropped but do did points won per game.
The other was from the Portuguese league and cost €55m. Transformed their team literally over night.
If United fans had to choose between them, don't think many would pick Maguire.
For £60m, why can we not find alternatives (same level players, or better players) at a cheaper price?Exactly, if we were looking at £60m for Ødegaard that would be a big risk as well and questions would be asked. For the same price I would just about be in favour of Maddison I think, just because he's more proven in the league. Think if we get him Ode will be less though, maybe £45m.
It's ok to say that it's not our money etc, and that might work for Man United but I'm not sure some people are appreciating the position our club is in now. We don't have infinite resources and clubs can sink as well as rise. No club is too big to fail and I want our money spent well.
If the strategy this year is to invest massively in proven PL players - and it's a big "if" still at this point - then it's absolutely critical to get it right because it puts debt on the club and won't be a long term sustainable approach. Not saying the club have got this wrong based on the links we've seen so far, apart from the Saliba stuff it seems reasonable. It's all smoke and mirrors until the window closes anyway.
Maguire’s average, he’s decent positionally and tells colleagues where to be but Utd have to protect their defence with two dms usually. He also made a number of appalling errors last season that would leave AM in utter disbelief.@GunnerShy I look at that and see exactly my point. Maguire was a vitally important signing. He gave the defensive platform for an attacking midfielder to win games.
We are so far down the rabbit hole that I cant remember what the original point was now. But I'll end it with that. If we sign Maddison he will be a vitally important signing for us also. Just as both Maguire and Bruno have been for United.
I don't think that's stats bear it out. But fwiw, I agree Maddison can be a brilliant signing for us. And there is/should be a premium attached because his form has been against the exact opposition we are recruiting him to play against.@GunnerShy I look at that and see exactly my point. Maguire was a vitally important signing. He gave the defensive platform for an attacking midfielder to win games.
We are so far down the rabbit hole that I cant remember what the original point was now. But I'll end it with that. If we sign Maddison he will be a vitally important signing for us also. Just as both Maguire and Bruno have been for United.
Cost more than Van Dijk, More than Dias.I wouldnt want a Maguire for the price of White, still a robbery.
Our defense hasnt been worse than ManU with the current players we have, Maguire is so limited.
Exactly, although not Brandt!For £60m, why can we not find alternatives (same level players, or better players) at a cheaper price?
Brundt, Aouar... (Buendia, but not available anymore) These are players who are more technically gifted, but at a lower price.
Buying PL proven players means lower risk? I would argue that putting down £60m on one player is a risk itself.
I really don’t understand at all the hype around ØdegaardI'd take Ødegaard for £50m before Maddison for £65m.
Think your 2nd paragraph is an important point. Up until this year, you'd look at the best English / British talents, & wonder why they would pick us over others as from the outside we are a club on the slide, with a team filled with foreigners that have underwhelmed the last few seasons, with the odd British player sprinkled in.
Now, we have Smith-Rowe who's joined Saka & Tierney as important first team players. We might have Chambers, Holding Willock, Nelson, Balogun as squad members. If we can add White & Maddison, that's a very decent core of British talent again, & if performance improves to go with it, we could be an attractive destination for guys like Bellingham & Sancho again, instead of being totally out the running for the best of English talent.