✍️ OFFICIAL Ben White

[Dutch D]

At this point in time we can't afford to splash all our cash on a player who won't have any resale value in 2 or 3 years time. We're rebuilding and need players who can grow and increase in value. United can afford to spend 50m + signing fee + massive wages for a finished article and not worry about resale value, we can't.

It's lazy to say Varane is the better option out of the two, though. Certainly his pedigree is impressive, but we don't know his recent form nor how he transitions to a new league. Madrid hasn't been in great shape and he didn't look that good for France to be honest. With the experience he has and if he reaches his top level, obviously he's a massive signing.

In any case, I'm happy with White, despite everything I've said before. He does fill a gap in our squad with the departure of Saliba and he brings some sorely needed speed and ball-playing skills.

 

[North5]

Difficult to get excited about this really when it means Saliba is basically finnished here and our midfield is still utter poverty

 

[Dutch D]

Difficult to get excited about this really when it means Saliba is basically finnished here and our midfield is still utter poverty

I'm basically hoping Saliba shows his potential at OM this year and that we'll have a new manager by the time he gets back.

 

[HairSprayGooners]

I'm basically hoping Saliba shows his potential at OM this year and that we'll have a new manager by the time he gets back.

YAY more instability for the club and Saliba. Also Marseille's manager basically confirmed Arteta's stance on the lad, so not sure why everyones still crying.

 

[Barry]

Who cares about Varane anyway? Why are you even talking about him?

 

[Dutch D]

YAY more instability for the club and Saliba. Also Marseille's manager basically confirmed Arteta's stance on the lad, so not sure why everyones still crying.

Wait, what? You want to keep mediocrity in the name of stability? Football clubs are inherently unstable, mate, it's the point of every transfer window. Stability should come from the top. Unfortunately, even the top in our club is mired in mediocrity/inability.

 

[Rasmi]

So you have never heard any of these arguments when we are linked to a player? Its not something I'm making up. There would have been complaints had we gone for Varane. Anyway, he wasn't ever going to come here so again I ask, why is this even that big of a debate? Why does it matter who is a bigger gamble when one of them was never coming here? You say we're Leicester now because of the signings we're making but which top player can we REALISTICALLY get now?

None. I’m just against the idea a 28 year old world class player is too old because he doesn’t have resale value. Big clubs don’t think of selling players before they get them to make profits.

 

[HairSprayGooners]

Wait, what? You want to keep mediocrity in the name of stability? Football clubs are inherently unstable, mate, it's the point of every transfer window. Stability should come from the top. Unfortunately, even the top in our club is mired in mediocrity/inability.

I don't want to keep mediocrity no. But Arteta spent £75M in his first summer, what top manager for any top club in world football does well with the squad we had when he first arrived and just £75M? Especially in this day and age.

Ole and United are a prime example of stability working. Your thought process is chop and change manager until someone works. What you gonna do when the next man comes in and flops? After a year want him out as well after he's spent another 100M on completely different players? It just doesn't work, the players play for Arteta, new faces are coming in, i really want him to do well. I'm not sure why others want him to suffer and do badly really, its in our interests as Arsenal fans that he does well. And saying that you hope he doesn't so Saliba can come back is utterly bizarre, this isn't Saliba FC.

 

[Red London]

Let’s be honest here, if we were linked with and signing Varane, we would be picking so many holes in him:

- Definitely regressed in the last couple seasons, making a few high profile errors.

- Struggled with injury issues his entire career basically.

- Would be on monstrous wages and effect our wage structure.

- We would have gotten no value off the asset towards the end or at the end of his deal.

- Age profile isn’t in line with the talented players in our squad (Saka ESR Tierney Gabriel Saliba Martinelli etc).

 

[drippin]

Chris Basham 19/20 38 PL appearances, 39 goals conceded. Sheffield POTY
Ben White 20/21, 36 PL appearances, 46 goals conceded. Brighton POTY

Despite of playing more and conceded less in that season Basham is still not being considered as PL proven or whatever this proven or adjusted.

You only say something that suits your argument. Just because someone questioned your point and your point is truly questionable and had been proven wrong by my point, now you can’t defend it or making counter argument so you used excuse to blamed me and called it troll, that’s pathetic mate. I wasn’t the only one who questioned it here.

One more time, you just think of PL proven or PL adjusted differently. And also again confuse comparing teams vs. players, lol.

If a team relegates, not a single player is necessarily responsible, unless they are like a goalie who has made multiple mistakes or something. If a defender is a POTY, or top 3 best player, and the team concedes one of the least goals in the league, then he can be PL proven/adjusted even if the team relegates.

It was not the defenders then very likely who were responsible for the relegation, similar to Brighton this season. (Btw. if you remember Brighton vs United from start of last season, they hit the woodwork 5 times and you got a totally undeserved 2-3 win because of their attackers with no end-product.)

As for Basham, if he was POTY/best player, and then next season the team got relegated while he played ~700 minutes less, the player can just have a worse season, but still be PL proven/adjusted.

For the fifth or more time, Varane is coming to a new country and the toughest league in the world. White has already adjusted to England and PL.

Any player can have a bad season, or drop a level. White might also flop even though he is PL adjusted.

I might not click "show ignored content" again, so enjoy your time here with others as the mods let United fans troll here (I've got no problem with Mata's beard, he seems a wise fella), and possibly your new player.

 

[1 other person]

I've felt in the dark this whole transfer window due to the lack of updates in the thread title. However, I activated my brain and just found the Threadmarks tab and I absolutely love it. Sorry for every doubting you @American_Gooner

 

[A_G]

I've felt in the dark this whole transfer window due to the lack of updates in the thread title. However, I activated my brain and just found the Threadmarks tab and I absolutely love it. Sorry for every doubting you @American_Gooner

 

[drippin]

The threadmarks are absolutely indispensable when the mods don't do their jobs, and let United fans takeover threads with stupid arguments over minor details, and want Arsenal fans to endlessly praise their new players.

 

[El Duderino]

I don't want to keep mediocrity no. But Arteta spent £75M in his first summer, what top manager for any top club in world football does well with the squad we had when he first arrived and just £75M? Especially in this day and age.

Literally every manager? Conte came here and won the league with a squad that wasn't his own.

Potch came in and made due with most of the squad Tottenham had. Flick rehabilitated Bayern and caught up to Nagelsman with no summer window.

Lampard made due with his squad and unable to invest and got top 4.

Unless you're Man City is completely ridiculous to posit that you need to make the team "your own". Bar them and PSG that has never happened.

Emery apologists gave him the same excuse and it was bs then as well.

 

[El Duderino]

The threadmarks are absolutely indispensable when the mods don't do their jobs, and let United fans takeover threads with stupid arguments over minor details, and want Arsenal fans to endlessly praise their new players.

People could also just know better and stop taking the bait every time? Same goes for "conversing" with the youtube complication skillz merchant.

 

[HairSprayGooners]

Literally every manager? Conte came here and won the league with a squad that wasn't his own.

Potch came in and made due with most of the squad Tottenham had. Flick rehabilitated Bayern and caught up to Nagelsman with no summer window.

Lampard made due with his squad and unable to invest and got top 4.

Unless you're Man City is completely ridiculous to posit that you need to make the team "your own". Bar them and PSG that has never happened.

Emery apologists gave him the same excuse and it was bs then as well.

No, no, no. Not having that.

Arteta came in and did well with what he had, he won a trophy.
Emery did alright with what he had and came 5th.

Our squad is nowhere near any of the ones you just mentioned. Plus managers will usually come in and do well, new manager bounce is a thing. The second season is the most important and where managers get given players to push forward.

Many people moan about our players, saying they're not worthy and Arteta needs new signings isn't outlandish.

 

[El Duderino]

No, no, no. Not having that.

Arteta came in and did well with what he had, he won a trophy.
Emery did alright with what he had and came 5th.

Our squad is nowhere near any of the ones you just mentioned. Plus managers will usually come in and do well, new manager bounce is a thing. The second season is the most important and where managers get given players to push forward.

Many people moan about our players, saying they're not worthy and Arteta needs new signings isn't outlandish.

People were saying that Chelsea's squad after the ban went away was a bad one, yet Tuchel came in and got them running well and eventually won the CL.

A proper non cheque book manager does that.

We had our bounce with the FA Cup, Arteta kept players and added to his spine with Gabriel, Partey and Willian, while also keeping Luiz as one of his leaders. He also had one of the most potent goal scorers in Europe renewed and had a mostly fully fit KT to boot.

Not to mention Cedric and Mari being added to the squad to add specialists he needed as subs.

I'm sorry, but a proper manager does more with our squad. Specially after adding or keeping all these players by choice.

Maybe Arteta can become that, but for now, I just don't see it happening at Arsenal.

 

[El Duderino]

Either way @HairSprayGooners weve done this debate to death, so let's change the subject to something spicy.

How tall do you think Ben White is?

 

[Garrincha]

Either way @HairSprayGooners weve done this debate to death, so let's change the subject to something spicy.

How tall do you think Ben White is?

the other guy is 6'2 so Whitey not far behind

 

[El Duderino]

the other guy is 6'2 so Whitey not far behind

Yeah, if you triangulate the distance between them, the lounge chair and the palm trees, taking into account that the make and model of those chairs are of a specific height + the angle the sun is at, I think thats a good guess.